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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Aug 17, 2020, 19:41 by heatherleson@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div>Ok, let me ask you this: <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Do you think the OMSF mailing list is where all community members feel safe and included to communicate?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>No, and it is true about any communication channel.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">2. If not, what steps can we take to do this better?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I have no specific proposals.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">3. If osmf continues down this road, how will they do so to also be ssfe, inclusive and equitable in terms of power and true dialogue?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I am convinced that ensuring that primary and essential OSMF communication will<br></div><div>not be happen on service that may ban you randomly, without reason, without appeal<br></div><div>is a good way to improve inclusivity, equitability and so on.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Secondary communication may happen also elsewhere to reach more people and<br></div><div>further improve inclusivity.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">4. What will each person responding to make sure that: more women respond, more people from other regions of the world respond, and, more importantly, that this is a safe and inclusive mailing list that is truly global, truly equitable and truly safe?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>We cannot force that and truly global communication is limited by many factors,<br></div><div>typically extremely hard to fix.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Important steps were taken recently to make OSMF membership easier for people,<br></div><div>especially from regions where membership fee was a barier.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, fee waiver existed but "I am really poor" application was for many people <br></div><div>problematic for cultural reasons, humiliating and current situation <br></div><div>is a significant improvement.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think that spreading word about that 42 days of mapping within last year qualifies<br></div><div>you to be an OSMF member is the best way to increase diversity of OSMF and hopefully<br></div><div>also this mailing list.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am quite proud that I managed to convince some people from Polish OSM community<br></div><div>to join (post on OSM forum and Telegram group).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks again for the dialogue<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Heather <br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, 19:33 john whelan, <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div dir="auto"><div>I think formal communications should be done on an open platform.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is a danger that Facebook or something similar could exclude some people and if it is a discussion that impacts the map start it on Slack if you will but it should not mean that decisions about imports etc are made there since not all mappers have access to Facebook, Slack etc.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 13:27 Heather Leson <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com">heatherleson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div dir="auto"><div>Great. I guess I ask because the people responding are long time OSM members. I value you, truly. Honest.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But here we are- a small circle talking on this mailing list. Maybe open is not just the platform but the ways we work to collaborate and communicate across gender, region and power.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Again, I get the open platform focus. In an ideal world where we all engage with the same interent access and communications methods, this works. However, I am asking "does this limit our ability to be a truly inclusive equitable global community"? Not an easy question, but I guess I would like to hear from other community voices. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Heather <br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, 19:14 Martin Koppenhoefer, <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>sent from a phone<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > On 17. Aug 2020, at 18:39, Andy Townsend <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > That's pretty much how I've been interpreting it - things that people "really ought to be able to read" will be written somewhere that's public, rather than a private channel from which content might disappear at any time (like Facebook, etc.).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> or services which some might prefer to not use because they don’t want their accesses traced, like google documents.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cheers Martin <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> osmf-talk mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> osmf-talk mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </body>
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