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<p>Mapsme should not be restricted but adapted to the needs of its
users. In my opinion there is one reason for adding things like
Embassy s, tourism attraction, bike parking etc. People want to
see their home on the map. I'm not a Mapsme user, but based on the
edits I've seen so far, it doesn't seem possible to add addresses
and places or to name streets. For people in many developing
countries mapsme is the only tool and reason to participate on
osm. We can not afford to restrict this. And not to forget, this
edits are not directed.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.09.20 um 18:00 schrieb Lukasz
Kruk:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I'm beginning to think that a simple way to
improve data quality would be to put a less powerful tool in the
hands of inexperienced mappers. <br>
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<div>Indeed, I can think of a few other examples where a poor
editing tool with inadequate guidance leads to the creation of
bad data. Is there a way to flag such cases and/or address
systemic issues?</div>
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<div>For example, for some reason <a href="http://MAPS.ME"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">MAPS.ME</a> users in
the Middle East seem to create a lot of points tagged as
tourism=attraction in cases where it is certainly not the
correct tag (<a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/YfW"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/YfW</a>).
To make it worse, there seems to be no reliable way of
contacting these users. Can I do anything do help to fix this?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Speaking more generally - is it perhaps worth it to have a
conversation if e.g. user accounts younger than X and with
less than Y changesets are restricted from particular types of
edits (e.g. ones that touch relations, or delete
reaaaaly large features)? Or - to be even more general, and
try to address the problem as close to the source as possible
- would the community or OSMF want to make sure that every OSM
editor (software, not person) needs to have adequate guidance
before allowing edits? Or perhaps editors with lower access
barrier (such as smartphone apps) should require that the user
completes ID editor's walkthrough before allowing edits? </div>
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<div>Sorry for straying off the original topic. Regards,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 15:18,
John Whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I'm beginning to think that a simple
way to improve data quality would be to put a less powerful
tool in the hands of inexperienced mappers. A simpler
editor with fewer choices or perhaps an existing editor with
restricted choices for a particular task or region.<br>
<br>
Do we really need sidewalk=no on every village street in
Africa?<br>
<br>
For more experienced mappers yes its nice to have the
flexibility but for someone with say less than 100 edits
mapping from imagery a simpler editor might be better.<br>
<br>
The trouble with instructions is they must be read and
understood and many new mappers just want to map first.<br>
<br>
Cheerio John<br>
<br>
<span>severin.menard via osmf-talk wrote on 2019-06-22 7:53
AM:</span><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">(Automatic
DeepL translation below)<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Bonjour<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Il y a
quelques
semaines, j’ai participé à l’organisation d’un mapathon
sur
plusieurs jours dans le cadre d’une formation à
OpenStreetMap et
aux outils de la géomatique, animée à Antananarivo à
Madagascar
avec d’autres contributeurs OpenStreetMap expérimentés.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">J’ai cherché
à
me conformer aux nouvelles règles concernant les
éditions dirigées
de la Fondation OSM [1] adoptée par son bureau le 15
novembre 2018
[2], en listant notre activité dans cette page du wiki
[3] et en
créant une sous-page spécifique [4] en m’aidant, à
défaut de
modèles génériques, de l’un des exemples fournis qu’il
m’a
fallu adapter au contexte. J’ai récemment procédé à une
mise
jour de cette sous-page pour intégrer les résultats de
ces
éditions. Je serais intéressé d’avoir des retours et
suggestions
du groupe de travail sur les données.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">J’ai ensuite
regardé les autres projets de la page wiki principale
[3]. Parmi les
organisations qui ont fait des mapathons une activité
importante
voire phare de leur activité, j’ai pu remarquer à mon
grand
étonnement que :</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">- HOT US Inc
propose
bien une sous-page spécifique, mais pour l’ensemble de
ses
éditions organisées, avec une section finale
particulièrement
succincte sur la qualité qui semble s’appuyer uniquement
sur les
capacités du Tasking Manager, en dehors des projets où
des équipes
de terrain peuvent être impliquées. De récentes
discussions [5] au
sujet du contrôle de qualité dans les projets ont montré
que le
processus de suivi n’est pas jugé satisfaisant par des
contributeurs expérimentés<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">-
Youthmappers a
juste créé une ligne dans le tableau principal sans
aucune
sous-page spécifique ni quelconque indication sur la
manière de
gérer les éditions dirigées qu’elle encourage pourtant
vivement
[6]<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">- Missing
Maps
n’apparaît nullement dans le tableau principal en tant
qu’organisation, seul est présent le groupe CZ & SK
qui
fournit une sous-page extrêmement limitée [7] ! Les
catastrophes cartographiques engendrées par les
mapathons labellisés
Missing Maps ont pourtant été l’une des deux raisons de
la mise
en place de cette politique visant à encadrer les
éditions
dirigées, avec les nuisances provoquées par quelques
entreprises
contribuant dans OSM comme bon leur semble et refusant
d’interagir
avec la communauté OSM.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Actuellement,
cette
politique concernant les éditions dirigées n’est donc,
paradoxalement, pas respectée, voire totalement négligée
par les
principales organisations qu’elle ciblait. Quelle suite
compte
donner la Fondation et son groupe de travail sur les
données devant
ces faits, plus de six mois après l’officialisation des
Organised
editing guidelines ?<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Cordialement,<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Severin<br>
</p>
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</div>
<div>Hello,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A few weeks ago, I participated in the organization
of a multi-day mapathon as part of a training course on
OpenStreetMap and geomatics tools, held in Antananarivo,
Madagascar with other experienced OpenStreetMap
contributors.<br>
</div>
<div>I have sought to comply with the new rules concerning
the OSM Foundation's directed editions[1] adopted by its
board on November 15, 2018[2], by listing our activity
in this page of the wiki[3] and by creating a specific
subpage[4] by using, in the absence of generic models,
one of the examples provided, which I had to adapt to
the context. I recently updated this subpage to include
the results of these editions. I would be interested to
have feedback and suggestions from the Data Working
Group.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I then looked at the other projects on the main wiki
page [3]. Among the organizations that have made
Mapathons an important or even flagship activity of
their activity, I was surprised to notice that:<br>
</div>
<div>- HOT US Inc does propose a specific subpage, but for
all its organized editions, with a particularly brief
final section on quality that seems to rely solely on
the capabilities of the Tasking Manager, outside
projects where field teams can be involved. Recent
discussions[5] about quality control in projects have
shown that the monitoring process is not considered
satisfactory by experienced contributors<br>
</div>
<div>- Youthmappers has just created a line in the main
table without any specific subpage or guidance on how to
manage the directed editions, which it strongly
encourages[6]<br>
</div>
<div>- Missing Maps does not appear in the main table as
an organization, only the CZ & SK group is present,
which provides an extremely limited subpage[7] ! The
cartographic disasters caused by Missing Maps labelled
mapathons were however one of the two reasons for the
implementation of this policy aimed at regulating
directed editions, with the nuisances caused by some
companies contributing to OSM as they see fit and
refusing to interact with the OSM community.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At present, this policy concerning directed editions
is therefore, paradoxically, not respected or even
totally neglected by the main organizations it targeted.
What follow-up does the Foundation and its Data Working
Group intend to give to these facts, more than six
months after the officialization of the Organized
editing guidelines?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sincerely,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Severin<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Translated with <a
href="http://www.DeepL.com/Translator" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.DeepL.com/Translator</a><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[1] <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/6/62/Organised_Editing_Guidelines.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/6/62/Organised_Editing_Guidelines.pdf</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[2] <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-11-15#Voting"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-11-15#Voting</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[3] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[4] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Madagascar_Itasy_lake_Mapathon"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Madagascar_Itasy_lake_Mapathon</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[5] <a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2019-June/014897.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2019-June/014897.html</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[6] <a
href="https://www.youthmappers.org/single-post/2019/06/18/The-Importance-of-Mapping-in-Earthquake-Regions"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youthmappers.org/single-post/2019/06/18/The-Importance-of-Mapping-in-Earthquake-Regions</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">[7] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Cs:Mapathon"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Cs:Mapathon</a><br>
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