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<p>Simon, et al,</p>
<p>I can answer a couple of the questions and will leave the others
for other Board members to respond to.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Isn't that just a very roundabout way of
saying that you want to rename working group to committees and
potentially give them some more legal standing (in general for
all 4 suggestions you didn't indicate -why- you would want to
propose the change, leaving it to speculation).
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No. The Working Groups would continue to do OSM business, i.e.,
deal with data, license, software, hardware, SOTM, etc, aka the
"fun" stuff. The committees would do OSMF (Foundation) business,
which is administrative, such as the budget, such as strategic
planning (which BTW is a legal requirement under the Companies Act
2006), etc. Less fun but necessary. Right now, the AoA specifies
that committees may consist only of Board members, and we're
finding that we Board members could use a little help from the
community. </p>
<p>
<blockquote type="cite">
Again, while I think I can make a well educated guess at what
you intend by making such a change, it would be better to spell
it out. That said, it is completely unclear to me how you would
want to differentiate between a member voting out of their own
free will in a certain way and doing the same on orders of their
employer. Essentially this would boil down to requiring members
to refrain from voting on issues their employers have asked them
to vote in a specific way, disenfranchising them of their voting
rights.
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It's called takeover protection, with a particular eye on any
attempted hostile takeover. OSM community includes a lot of very
intelligent people, including some with good statistical
backgrounds, who can certainly draw statistical inferences if a
high percentage of employees of company X is correlated with a
number of votes for a particular resolution or candidate. The
essence is as you describe, but the point is not to
disenfranchise, per se, but rather to dissuade employers from
seeking to influence how the community votes in an organized
manner. This would not, incidentally, require an amendment to
the AoA, but rather adoption of a policy by the OSMF membership.
The Board already has the authority under the AoA to expel
members. If you have better ideas for takeover protection, now
would be a good time to propose them.</p>
cheers,<br>
apm<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2020 10:15 AM, Simon Poole
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:a8f781cb-fbd4-1c5f-0c76-53bc8bba8a11@poole.ch">
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Am 11.10.2020 um 15:53 schrieb Rory McCann (OSMF Board):
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<blockquote type="cite">
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* that any OSMF member, not just board members, may serve on
committees;
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<br>
Isn't that just a very roundabout way of saying that you want to
rename working group to committees and potentially give them some
more legal standing (in general for all 4 suggestions you didn't
indicate -why- you would want to propose the change, leaving it to
speculation).
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> * that people who get free membership via
the Active Contribution Membership system get regular
membership, not just the current associate membership;
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Doesn't that run afoul of the guarantee regular members have to
commit to?
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> * that if you vote in accordance with
orders from your employer or other authority, you aren't a
member any more and your vote doesn't count;
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Again, while I think I can make a well educated guess at what you
intend by making such a change, it would be better to spell it
out. That said, it is completely unclear to me how you would want
to differentiate between a member voting out of their own free
will in a certain way and doing the same on orders of their
employer. Essentially this would boil down to requiring members to
refrain from voting on issues their employers have asked them to
vote in a specific way, disenfranchising them of their voting
rights.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> * and whether there should be a third,
non-voting class of membership, called "supporting member".
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Again "why?".
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
We are not 100% sure exactly how many we will propose, and
exactly what the wording will be. We will draft and redraft and
think and consult. Please provide feedback, praise, curses,
prayers, and hexes. If/when we have more concrete wording, we
will, naturally, post more.
<br>
<br>
On the general topic of AoA changesm are there any AoA changes
you would like? I am calling for an open discussion. 🙂
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<br>
Term limits that are actually term limits?
<br>
<br>
We've already voted to not have those, so I wouldn't press you on
this.
<br>
<br>
Simon
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
OSM is an open project, we should work in the open. So I am
emailing yous.
<br>
<br>
As always, if you would like to publish something anonymously,
the board can consider that. Please email
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@osmfoundation.org">board@osmfoundation.org</a> (either using your email address, or you
could try something like <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://anonymouse.org/anonemail.html">http://anonymouse.org/anonemail.html</a>
but we haven't confirmed yet that that works). As always, if you
would like to contact the board privately, email
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@osmfoundation.org">board@osmfoundation.org</a>. As always, this is a public message,
please feel free to inform other OSM(F) people, especially if
you think they may not have seen it.
<br>
<br>
Rory
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