<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello Simon, <div><br></div><div>There are few things which we us the OSM community have to put in place. </div><div>1. Welcoming tool. - Many of us talked many times, a couple of countries it is already in place and it is helping them. </div><div>2. Rewards/Awards - Question is it useful ?? </div><div><br></div><div>Rewards/Awards have been implemented very well in '
Wikipedia Barnstars', 'Google Local Guides', </div><div>I have never heard this argument that Wikipedia Barnstar is destroying the Wikipedia project. </div><div><br></div><div>Do we need to analyze why our earlier systems have failed?</div><div>Isn't better to improvise the system?</div><div><br></div><div>If we sit and say, it has failed previously and it will always fail, don't try that. It has no good impact.</div><div><br></div><div>The community tries different things first they fail and understand what went wrong and then improvise </div><div>Are you saying that previous systems that were in place were completely useless? <br></div><div> </div><div>Anyway, I am planning to send an OSM postcard and a couple of stickers to users who have <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/naveenpf/diary/394323">completed 1000 edits. </a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>naveenpf</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 14:58, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Am 18.10.2020 um 10:18 schrieb Mateusz
Konieczny via osmf-talk:<br>
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<div>As usual with other stopped projects in OSM - people working
on it<br>
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<div>abandoned it due to a lost interest.<br>
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<p>At the danger of stating the obvious, these schemes have in all
failed because they were either not effective (the wiki badge
stuff) or too effective (essentially any gamification of mapping,
including initial SC btw) and have led to vandalism at larger
scales and trying to suppress that is too much work. <br>
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<p>On a more philosophical note it is best for the project if we
retain mappers because they have a motivation to contribute, a
desire for completeness, participating in another activity that
needs good map data and naturally simply liking mapping, that is
closely linked to map data quality, not because they are being
paid in one way or the other (absolution is the most popular form,
but money naturally too).<br>
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<p>Simon<br>
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<div>Oct 18, 2020, 07:08 by <a href="mailto:naveenpf@gmail.com" target="_blank">naveenpf@gmail.com</a>:<br>
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<div>Hello all, <br>
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<div>It would be really nice to have an awards or badges
system inside OSM. <br>
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<div>Have seen a couple of pages on that in OSM wiki.
(first saw on Mikel's userpage - North Star !!! )<br>
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<div>Don't know why it stopped ?<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
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<div>naveenpf<br>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards</a><br>
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<div>[2] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Badges" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Badges</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 07:09,
Christopher Beddow <<a href="mailto:christopher.beddow@gmail.com" rel="noopener
noreferrer" target="_blank">christopher.beddow@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I feel like we could take the How Did You Contribute
stats from Pascal Neis and prototype some badges based
on that. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Anyone could do this, just build it
separately from the OpenStreetMap website, for now
anyway, as a proof of concept.<br>
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<div dir="auto">The stats are all there to analyze. Give
somebody a badge for being a local expert inside a city
or country, with a minimum number of changesets. Other
badges based on adding, modifying, or deleting data.
Maybe a Cleanup Specialist if deleting a lot for
example. <br>
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<div dir="auto">For bad changesets and edits, points and a
gamification can help. If you get a flagged changeset,
you get a message that you can fix it with help, and
that you can earn a badge for it like a "Mentee Level
1", showing you have been approved by other Mappers for
fixing a mistake, but you could get the same badge for
making a series of perfect edits endorsed by an existing
mapper. Or a bad edit blocks you from getting it, but
you get informed that you can qualify if you work with
somebody to fix the mistake. Motivational!<br>
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<div dir="auto">Then badges based on data types: a road
runner who adds a lot of roads, badges for fixing speed
limits, a POI Hound, etc. Then maybe in apps like street
complete or vespucci you can get recommended to fix or
enrich the nearby map in a way that's tailored to your
specialty. <br>
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<div dir="auto">I would love to have little stickers or
pins at a state of the map conference which show the
badges I got on OSM, and I could find other Mappers who
have a strange interest in adding utility poles or
electric car chargers or hiking trails just like me. You
could even have a badge for contributing to the map on
every continent, or for contributing a minimum number
with survey as a source, with GPS as a source, or a
language badge for adding like 50+ place names in any
particular language like Spanish or Swahili. <br>
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<div dir="auto">You could set all this up outside OSM but
any user could log onto this site and see what badges
they qualify for. As I aid the data and stats all exist,
just time to categorize them. I'm happy to help think
about this.<br>
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<div dir="auto">It would be fun to take some inspiration
from scouting organizations (Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts
etc) for merit badge scenarios which is separate from a
sort of rank/title, and sketch out what helps a mapper
qualify for these. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 19:05
Clifford Snow <<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" rel="noopener
noreferrer" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>>
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<div>Oscar,<br>
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<div>I saw your post on Slack and glad to see you are
also posting on a mailing list. I'd suggest asking
on the talk list, <a rel="noopener
noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a>,
to reach more people. The OSMF-Talk mailing list is
for Foundation related issues. The Foundation is
more about running the servers, licensing, etc. The
Foundation isn't directly involved in day to day
mapping. On the other hand, we are always looking
for more Working Group volunteers. You can find a
list of the Working Groups at <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups</a>.
If anyone of the groups interests you, feel free to
reach out to them. Each group has an email that you
can contact them for more information.<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>Clifford<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:51
PM TheAdventurer64 <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:little.banana.peel@gmail.com" target="_blank">little.banana.peel@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Hello everyone,<br>
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<div>A user and I were talking about implementing
a system for better mapping, as described here: <br>
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<div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1602968516431900" target="_blank">https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1602968516431900</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">This addition would have many
benefits, including:<br>
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<div>* More mapping. We have tons of new mappers
each day, as well as a great editor for them.
However, many of these new mappers leave after
just a few edits. Examples: <br>
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<div><a rel="noopener
noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lukastheg03" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lukastheg03</a><br>
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<div><a rel="noopener
noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Th3Roomi3" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Th3Roomi3</a><br>
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