<div dir="auto">OMG! Thank you Graeme for this atleast I know and most of us know that there is a voice that coherently expressed our valid feelings right now. Several of us feel the toxicity of the mailing lists that is why we dont want to voice out. We are afraid of being judged by #editshamers and those who mansplain to us that our opinions are not valid. Thank you for the board for listening. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Virtual hugs!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 7:38 PM Graeme Herbert <<a href="mailto:graemewh@gmail.com">graemewh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I didn’t expect this to be the year in
which I would break my vow of silence as far as this list is
concerned, but here I am. It’s not a very happy situation, to be
paying membership of the foundation and yet not feeling the
slightest motivation to participate in the debates taking place
here. I take my own share of the responsibility, I can be lazy and
also I can easily find other things to do when confronted with a
full inbox, mapping included. But the main reason is the often
terrible atmosphere on this list. <br>
<br>
Too many contributions suffer from what I would call techlistitis,
the belief that if your opinion is correct you are exempted from
any obligation to treat people with different opinions with even
minimal respect. I only speak for myself, but I do wonder about
how many other people are watching this with a feeling of dismay
and occasional dread as another reply comes in?<br>
<br>
Despite the silence here, I have voted in board elections for
several years now. My policy until now has always been to vote for
a broad range of candidates, not necessarily just those I would
feel most in tune with. I want the board to have different shades
of opinion represented. However this year, and after reading some
of the contributions this week, I have decided to modify my policy
- I’m not voting for candidates who don’t take seriously the issue
of diversity and inclusion, or who might block action being taken.<br>
<br>
The problem exists, like it or not, and the ‘if you can’t stand
the heat then find something else to do’ atmosphere that surfaces
too often on this list is a reflection of that problem. It’s as if
we have a shop with a “We’re open!” sign in the window, but no
handle on the door for people to come in. I want a board that
represents the community, but I also want one that will work to
build a community that resembles the world that we are trying to
map. Ultimately our best defence against the worries of corporate
influence and sectorial interests is to have a larger community
where there are no obstacles to participation.<br>
<br>
The code of conduct is not in itself a solution, but it is part of
the solution. This is not over-sensitive snowflakery, it’s about
mutual respect and making this work for everyone. I welcome the
board taking action. This has been an awful year, horrific for
many, and maybe these things don’t seem so important with
everything else that is going on. But if in 2021 we can make
participation in this list and other forums a pleasant and useful
experience for people like me, and for people not like me, then I
would consider that to be a significant win.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Graeme</div>
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<div>On 11/12/20 13:30, Allan Mustard wrote:<br>
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I apologize if this is a duplicate, but I received notices from
Google Mail that the message below sent to both osmf-talk and talk
was not delivered "because the address couldn't be found, or is
unable to receive mail." I am therefore retransmitting the
message using my home email address. apm<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To the OSM
and OSMF communities:</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I convey
the following information on behalf of the Board of
Directors of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">An outcome
of the current controversy on the osmf-talk mailing
list over misogynistic language is a decision by the
Board as follows:</font></p>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> </font>
<p> </p>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> </font>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">The Board will find partners to help instate a moderator team for the OSMF-talk and talk mailing lists. </span><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
</span><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">These moderators need to have the trust of the community subject to the moderation (consent of the governed) by some kind of approval mechanism. </span><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
</span><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
</span><span style="color:rgb(46,47,50);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">This moderator team will start to work on enforcing the current Etiquette guidelines as soon as possible. We will also start work on updating/replacing our Etiquette rules, which must focus on balancing all participants' interests.</span></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> We have
asked the Local Chapters and Communities Working
Group (LCCWG ) to take the lead on this and to work
with signatories of the open letter to the Board [1]
as well as members of the Diversity and Inclusion
Special Committee to produce proposals for the Board
to consider at its January meeting. The LCCWG has
accepted this task. This issue will be on the
agenda of the January meeting of the Board of
Directors, exact time and date yet to be determined,
though as is customary it will be posted to the
Foundation's website well in advance.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Members of
the OSM community are, as always, welcome to share
their opinions and any relevant information on this
matter, either publicly via osmf-talk, or privately
in direct communications to the LCCWG. I feel
compelled to remind all members of the community
that a Code of Etiquette [2] has existed since June
2011 and shall be observed by all community members.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Very best
regards to all,<br>
apm</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">[1] <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit?ts=5fd11436#heading=h.ccgtgjykcfgh" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit?ts=5fd11436#heading=h.ccgtgjykcfgh</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette</a></font><br>
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<div> <i>Allan Mustard, Chairperson</i><br>
<i>Board of Directors</i><br>
<i>OpenStreetMap Foundation</i></div>
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