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<p>Hello, I would like to confirm that the work of this organisation
is beneficial for our local community and as one of it's tasks is
being a sort of "official" representation of OSM to the outside
world eg. the government getting a status of a local chapter would
probably ensure it's position in this regard for the good of all.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 01.02.2021 o 23:47, Tim
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<div>Yea, the finance part was a minor issue tbh, but
given I was asking, I went all out on the questions.<br>
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The fee seems even more reasonable at 0,5 pct of the
minimum wage (if you calculate the annual fee back to a
monthly ratio)<br>
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As for votes present - it does avoid a deadlock (unless you
end up really struggling to get a quarter of voters together
to amend the AoA). I'm not sure if that requires PHYSICAL
presence to be entitled to vote, or if online attendance can
suffice.(especially with the current global situation)<br>
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For OSM belgium (where I'm part of) it's less of an issue as
we are smaller, but I could see people facing 4+ hour travels
to get to warsaw, at which point exercising the right to vote
becomes both a hassle and an considerable expense.<br>
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Either way, it's mostly thoughts I'm throwing out here, relating
back to some of the things OSM-BE worried about when it was our
turn to prepare of this process... Cherry-pick whatever
feedback seems helpful. :)<br>
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<div>I may have skimmed over it, but right now
I'm unclear about if that's an annual
recurring fee, or a 'once at signup'. If
membership is not tied to activity (or
subscription renewal) you risk ending to
struggle to reach voting quota in a few
years.<br>
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<div>Is it common to have quota expressed as a ratio
of the 'votes present' rather then total usercount?<br>
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<div>'votes present' ensures that things will not deadlock
with group of inactive members<br>
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<div>No idea whatever it is a local standard and ended there
by default <br>
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<div>or is it some weird invention (the same goes for
membership<br>
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<div>acceptance where idea of changing it sounds nice but
would be probably<br>
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<div>quite time-consuming - and no idea is it conflicting
with something [not a lawyer]).<br>
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<div>For fee - it is a yearly recurring fee, right now it is
1.8% of monthly minimum wage<br>
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<div>in Poland (50 PLN = 11.1 Euro = 13.4$).<br>
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<div>Fee waiving for activity is tricky, as from what I know
basically all members <br>
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<div>are mappers and it would end with either <br>
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<div>- sponsorship - or The Sponsoring Anti-Pattern to be
more exact. <br>
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<div>Single entity funding everything is a disaster waiting
to happen and we<br>
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<div>would be lucky to get one and no chance at all for some
healthy diversification<br>
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<div>- confusing "there is no fee, but you should pay fee
because otherwise<br>
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<div>we can't host anything interesting"<br>
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<div>- zero or nearly zero funds what is likely suboptimal<br>
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<div>Given that organization is tiny (in 2019 total budget
was 2207 PLN = 490 Euro = 590$,<br>
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<div>though note that it may increase in coming years due to
increase of yearly fee done this year).<br>
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<div>I suspect that for such tiny scale it may be better to
have such fee to have some kind of stability...<br>
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<div>Please consider the above as well-meant questions /
suggestions / considerations. It's by no means my
intention to try and halt the process, but other may
have similar questions (or answers) to the above.<br>
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<div>As one of local mappers from Poland I fully
support this application.<br>
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<div>And in my opinion this organization and people
involved represent local mappers<br>
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<div>and doing a good job (for example in case of
some organizations having an official <br>
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<div>foundation is useful to be treated seriously).<br>
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<div>Feb 1, 2021, 21:52 by <a
href="mailto:rory.mccann@osmfoundation.org"
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<div>Hello,<br>
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<div>You may be aware that Stowarzyszenie
OpenStreetMap Polska has applied to become an
official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation for Poland. As part of the
application process, we would like to ask you,
the OSMF membership, about this. Do you support
this application? Do you have any questions,
comments or concerns?<br>
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<div>You can find all the information about this
Local Chapter application on the OSMF website: <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Poland"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Poland</a><br>
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<div>We will close this round of discussion two
weeks from now (i.e. 14 Feb 2021).<br>
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<div>You can reply here or contact the OSMF Board
privately: <a
href="mailto:board@osmfoundation.org"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">board@osmfoundation.org</a><br>
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<div>Please tell anyone about this application who
might be interested. We want feedback.<br>
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<div>I am looking forward to hearing your
responses.<br>
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<div>Thank you to the OSM Poland team for this
submission. <br>
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