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</head><body text="#000000">I would suggest that relations are complex
and it might be better by starting to explain just what they are and why
they are important to mappers.<br>
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Once the understanding is there then it becomes easier to apply pressure
to avoid damaging them.<br>
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For one I have no idea what they are or what value they are and I've
been mapping for a good few years.<br>
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Cheerio John<br>
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<span>Brian M. Sperlongano wrote on 9/20/2021 3:50 PM:</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is also an issue with boundaries, ticket #8286:<div><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8286"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8286</a><br></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep
20, 2021 at 3:35 PM Robert Grübler <<a
href="mailto:robgruebler@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">robgruebler@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div
lang="DE-AT"><div class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568WordSection1"><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">Subject:
App damaging OSM data</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">The
web app "iD" has been systematically damaging relations for years. This
is particularly serious because relations are often complex and
therefore difficult to repair. </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">What
can be done about it?</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><h3><span
lang="EN-US">Create issues?</span></h3><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">Since
2018, there have been several issues on this. E.G.: </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4861" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4861</a> of 8 March 2018 "Splitting the
road, breaks TR relation"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4876" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4876</a> of 11 March 2018 "Splitting roads
can reorder ways incorrectly in a route relation with loops"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4978" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4978</a> of 10 April 2018 "Bus stop and
platform added to end of bus route relation"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8330" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #8330</a> of 28 January 2021 "iD breaks
public transport relations on way split"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8578" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #8578</a> of 13 July 2021 "iD damages
relations when splitting ways"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><b><span lang="EN-US">Result:
null</span></b></p><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p><h3><span lang="EN-US">Inform DWG?</span></h3><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">Ticket#2021081310000199
of 13 Aug. 2021 “iD editor systematically damages data”. No response
after 5 weeks.</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><b><span lang="EN-US">Result:
null</span></b></p><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p><h3><span lang="EN-US">Contact OSMF?</span></h3><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">This
mail: <i>Engine room to bridge: Fuel damaging engine. What to do?</i></span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards</span></p><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span
lang="EN-US">Robert Grübler (robhubi)</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">============
Translated with <a href="http://www.DeepL.com/Translator"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.DeepL.com/Translator</a>
============</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE">Betreff:
App beschädigt OSM-Daten</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE"> </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE">Die
Web-App „iD“ beschädigt seit Jahren, auf systematischer Weise,
Relationen. Das wiegt besonders schwer, da Relationen häufig komplex
sind und dementsprechend schwierig zu reparieren sind. </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE">Was
kann man dagegen tun?</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE"> </span></p><h3><span
lang="DE">Issues erstellen?</span></h3><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="DE">Seit
2018 gibt es dazu mehrere Issues. </span><span lang="EN-US">Z.B.: </span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4861" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4861</a> of 8 March 2018 "Splitting the
road, breaks TR relation"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4876" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4876</a> of 11 March 2018 "Splitting roads
can reorder ways incorrectly in a route relation with loops"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4978" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #4978</a> of 10 April 2018 "Bus stop and
platform added to end of bus route relation"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8330" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #8330</a> of 28 January 2021 "iD breaks
public transport relations on way split"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8578" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Issue #8578</a> of 13 July 2021 "iD damages
relations when splitting ways"</span></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><b><span lang="EN-US">Ergebnis:
null</span></b></p><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p><h3><span lang="EN-US">DWG informieren?</span></h3><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US">Ticket#2021081310000199
of 13 Aug. 2021 “iD editor systematically damages data”. </span>Nach 5
Wochen keine Reaktion.</p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"><b>Ergebnis: null</b></p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"> </p><h3>OSMF
kontaktieren?</h3><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing">Diese
Mail: <i>Maschinenraum an Kommandobrücke: Treibstoff beschädigt Motor.
Was tun?</i></p><p class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"> </p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing"> </p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing">Beste Grüße</p><p
class="gmail-m_-7021401618754454568MsoNoSpacing">Robert Grübler
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