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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I recently joined hoping to contribute in the production a better digital model of the Earth in vector graphics. Since my focus is more topographical elements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However to my great disappointment I encountered a deep discourse about active political issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What is the extent to which this foundation is planning to be political? And to what extend some parts of the leadership are planning to be political?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">P.S. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“</span>Under my proposal, you could have a “SotM Republic of Gilead”¹.<span lang="EN-US">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I hope this wasn’t a soft way to convey a derogatory political statement against a group of people, of which there may or may not be members in OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Nikolche</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org">Amanda McCann</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>вторник, 12 октомври 2021 23:26<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">OSMF Talk</a>; <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">
OSM Talk</a>; <a href="mailto:diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org">OSM Diversity List</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Osmf-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[to summarize my replies]<br>
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I think there's a common misunderstanding, so I will clarify: I think it is acceptable for the State of the Map to take place in a venue that is unsafe to LGBTQ+ people *if there is no other alternative because that's what the region is like*. Under my proposal,
you could have a “SotM Republic of Gilead”¹.<br>
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:46 +02:00, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:<br>
> what criteria must an event fulfil to be able to use the "State of the Map" brand. Conference
<br>
> organizers that, for whatever reason, cannot meet those criteria could <br>
> still run an OSM related event with different branding and do without <br>
> OSMF blessing.<br>
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Correct. For example, i don't think HOT should adopt this type of policy.<br>
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 8:38 +02:00, Tim Couwelier <tim.couwelier@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> does that rule out having official local chapters from certain areas?<br>
<br>
Absolutely not! We need more local chapters in general. This is just about the “State of the Map” name, and nothing about OSMF Local Chapters.<br>
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 9:42 +02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> Amanda, what about countries like Russia, where AFAIK the sexual <br>
> orientations you list are not illegal, but which aren’t exactly known <br>
> as safe space for members of these minorities either?<br>
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Geoffrey Kateregga <kateregga1@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> The point is, there is no country that favors everyone 100%, there will always be some challenges, LGBT laws<br>
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:04 +02:00, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:<br>
> we’d risk confining ourselves to a few “safe” parts of the world at the <br>
> expense of our wider community.<br>
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:22 +02:00, Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> And a potential SotM Middle East, could that ever happen in any country of the region?<br>
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 9:41 +02:00, Christopher Beddow <christopher.beddow@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> Is this proposal saying that local mappers in Iran could not hold a <br>
> "State of the Map Iran" same as "State of the Map France" does<br>
<br>
My proposal allows “State of the Map Iran”. Since all places in the region (here “Iran”) have the same laws/societal actions, so no visitor would suffer a “legal downgrade”. I do not think it's fair or right to deny the active local community the ability to
have a SotM (or other OSM event). There are times when a “State of the Map” event is unsafe for LGBTQ+ people.<br>
<br>
In my proposal, a SotM (REGION) can always take place in a country in that region, even if that would require the event to not be safe for LGBTQ people in the region. I do not think it is right to put that high a restriction.
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My proposed standard is very very low. There are many cities in “liberal” countries where people suffer bigoted violence. No-where is 100% safe, While I might have to think about whether to go to a “State of the Map Europe” in Russia, I do not think that the
OSMF should prohibit that under my rule.<br>
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:47 +02:00, Stephan Knauss <osm@stephans-server.de> wrote:<br>
> I have mixed feelings about the level of political involvement OSMF <br>
> should do. Should we also care about environmental protection?<br>
<br>
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Marie [OSM Cameroun] wrote:<br>
> if it is true that OSM is apolitical<br>
<br>
Someone already proposed an “OSMF will not pay expenses for air fare if there's a train option” (which failed). The OSM blog has been used to campaign against proposed EU laws. The OSMF has already picked a political side on LGBTQ+ issues when it adopted the
Diversity Statement.<br>
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, wrote:<br>
> if we organize an event in the USA and we all get shot by the police <br>
> because of our skin color what will we say? [...] should State of the Map be <br>
> removed from those countries, because its not easy for people to travel <br>
> to those locations? <br>
<br>
I'm more familiar with LGBTQ issues. I'm privileged with my current passport. If you can share advice on making SotM (& OSM) more open to people affected by this, I am open to hearing it.
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">🙂</span> What do you think we should do?<br>
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PS: Paul out of habit used the wrong name, and did DM me to apologise. <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
🙂</span> It's fine, Paul's a good friend. He owes me a beer. But it's obvious when people _deliberately_ misgender & deadname others.
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😒</span><br>
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[¹] Gilead is the fictional fundamentalist christian theocratic dystopia in Atwood's “The Handmaid's Tale”. In the book, women are legally forbidden from learning to read (punishment is amputation of a finger!), needless to say, it's not LGBTQ safe…<br>
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:09 +02:00, Amanda McCann <amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org> wrote:<br>
> Hello OSM friends,<br>
><br>
> So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation <br>
> holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that <br>
> the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be <br>
> wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not <br>
> try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF.<br>
><br>
> The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map” <br>
> trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, <br>
> and legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference.<br>
><br>
> There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My <br>
> initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a <br>
> venue if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced) <br>
> there, *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or <br>
> illegal & not enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people.<br>
><br>
> I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity issues <br>
> that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries have <br>
> required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws <br>
> requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition <br>
> might not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for <br>
> now. I am OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country <br>
> where it's illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a <br>
> *legal downgrade* with “State of the Map”.<br>
><br>
> Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized <br>
> groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only <br>
> mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I <br>
> think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I <br>
> believe some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on <br>
> LGBTQ+ issues because that affects me personally, and I know a lot <br>
> about it. I encourage other minoritized people to speak up if they want.<br>
><br>
> So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF <br>
> adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything <br>
> new policy)?<br>
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