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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hello Steve, all,<br>
      </font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">From my point of view
        the better way to improve quality and coverage of OSM database
        is to focus on the usage more than on the data. If a data is
        being used (or is missing to be used), then it will be refreshed
        (or added). If the schema is clear, then editors, routers,
        users... will make sparks quicker. In that respect, I expect
        this project now to bring some more boost on the software
        ecosystem rather than on the completion of the data. One of the
        most famous example and troll is how the project is using itself
        those data. I love the map on the website from a graphical point
        of view because of its clarity and level of detail, but despite
        that I find this map nearly useless because you have very
        limited services offered compared to the potential of the
        database. And even those services are not fully end-user
        oriented, they are more proof of concepts. We are nerds of data
        when most of the people is looking for services.<br>
      </font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Consequently, instead
        of having the completion as a top priority, I would focus on:</font></p>
    <ol>
      <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Improving the
          database format/API to make it more accessible and powerful<br>
        </font></li>
      <ol>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Separate the data
            (addr:*) from the meta data (review of an address). Data
            should stay free (use key and value you want) but meta data
            should be enforced IMHO.</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Handle cleanly
            some usages which are difficult to support today (e.g.
            Multiple values, translations...)</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Handle a clear
            lifecycle schema<br>
          </font></li>
        <ol>
          <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">This might solve
              part of your concerns Steve because then we would be able
              to automatically associate to the data some
              confidence/freshness level<br>
            </font></li>
        </ol>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Enforce usage of
            meta data (see previously)</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Provide some
            analytics around the data (e.g. I see a weird key+value on N
            objects, I want to understand if this is due to a single
            user, or a single SW (bug?))</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Offer tools to
            extend/filter the API results on request (note that this
            might require some third party databases, which means some
            license questions, also this would prevent from
            reincorporating them into the DB), for example:</font></li>
        <ol>
          <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Roads are
              flagged with maxspeed=FR:urban, offer to deliver as it is
              or as maxspeed=50 or with some kind of alias table ready
              to be used<br>
            </font></li>
          <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Some shops
              contain PH in their opening_hours, offer to expend them to
              the real dates for the year to come </font><font
              face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">or provide some kind
              of list of public holidays at this specific location</font><font
              face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"></font></li>
          <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Some items
              contains wikidata keys, offer to expend them to include
              additional data from this external database such as
              altitude, names in different languages...</font></li>
          <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Say that there
              is a picnic area... When extracting data, have a flag to
              associate or not an independent set of extra deduced
              attributes based on the POI within this area such as
              "toilet=yes/no", "fireplace=3"...</font></li>
        </ol>
      </ol>
      <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Having more services
          available on the website, either by developing them or
          integrating them (which doesn't mean to phagocyte them)<br>
        </font></li>
      <ol>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Foster the
            integration of more maps to showcase the diversity and
            stimulate the completeness of the data (for car, for e-cars,
            for bikes, for hikers, nautical, infrastructures, culture,
            geopolitical...)</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Ideally, having a
            reduced set of maps but with layers and ability to select
            the language<br>
          </font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Being able to
            interact with the map to see the data (to know if it is
            fresh, you need to see them in an easy and readable way)</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">For this it might
            require a structured way of proposing and integrating a
            third-party<br>
          </font></li>
      </ol>
      <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Defining approved
          presets in a structured way<br>
        </font></li>
      <ol>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To propose an
            already built list of presets that can be parsed and used in
            a SW<br>
          </font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To propose names
            in different languages without the need to have its own
            translations (that can also be misleading if not aligned,
            see differences between iD, JOSM and the Wiki)</font></li>
        <li><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">For editors (iD,
            JOSM...) to suggest recommended tags or discourage others</font></li>
      </ol>
    </ol>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Those ideas are on my
        wish-list for years now but with no time or energy to implement
        them or even promote them. However if some people show interest
        to some of them, please ping and I will see how and if I can
        help.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Cheers,</font><br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">LeTopographeFou</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 13/05/2023 à 17:38, Steve Coast a
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      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Dear all<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">We formed OSMF to
        take care of the map. Let’s reset and focus on that with a
        strategic plan by the mappers for the mappers:<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <!--[if !supportLists]-->1.<span style="font-style: normal;
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          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->The website will focus on
        completing the map. The map currently shows the “best” view of
        the map, it will be changed via voluntary or paid efforts to
        show the “worst” view of the map to encourage completion, like
        in the beginning when it was blank, and it led to huge efforts
        to fill the map in:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->We will decide what the
        main thing to complete is. For example, if we decide it’s
        address data then we will do the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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        will only render roads with a new tag “addr:complete", where
        mappers manually will have to mark roads as address complete.
        This will immediately make the map go very blank and create a
        large global project to finish addressing, which is the main
        thing missing in OSM.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        complete, we will take similar steps to map, for example, PoIs
        and only show roads will all PoIs added.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->OSM will only render
        features newer than 24 months to encourage refreshing and
        revisiting. A tag “feature:verified_2023” or equivalent will be
        used to do this, along with the last edit date of the feature. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Map notes will be turned on
        by default.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->d.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Social and map quality
        features will be built in to osm.org which will drive engagement
        and mapping towards completion, for example alerting users to
        edits or routing problems near where they edit.[2]<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->e.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Leaderboards of editors,
        countries, states, regions and counties will be front and center
        to encourage editing, for example percentage of “addr:complete”
        roads per country.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->2.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Funding will focus on
        completing the map:<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->a.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->By having a clear
        metrics-based plan above we can seek funding to build specific
        tools and features towards map completion.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->b.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->A paid “OpenStreetMap
        Approved” program will standardize corporate membership by
        certifying a company uses OSM data in a way that respects the
        license and community.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->c.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->A certified version of OSM
        will be released quarterly that has been semi-automatically
        checked for validity and correctness. Paid corporate members can
        be involved in the process.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->d.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->OSM conferences and local
        chapters will pay OSMF a small fee per attendee or member and in
        exchange also be “OpenStreetMap Approved”, once the board is
        shown to be effective.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->3.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->The board will focus on
        completing the map:<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->a.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Reduce the board size and
        require regional representation.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->b.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->Board members must make a
        public financial and time commitment.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
        auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->c.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->The board will build
        completion metrics for the map, by using existing tools and
        working with companies who already have many tools, and engaging
        with the community. These will be the main agenda of the board
        meetings.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"
        style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:auto;
        text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
        <!--[if !supportLists]-->d.<span style="font-style: normal;
          font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
          7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
          Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
          font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
          normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
          normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
          normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
          normal;">     </span><!--[endif]-->All discretionary funding
        will go to projects and community members who build credible
        plans to help complete the map.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">If this is
        interesting, I’d love feedback. We can run some BoF sessions at
        SOTM US, EU and Africa in July, November and December. Then SOTM
        Asia when it is confirmed.<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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