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Dear all,<br>
<br>
The start from Steve is an interesting one. However, we should
however not focus on "completion", because the map will never be
complete. The tag as proposed "verified", would mean that all
addresses require regular verification, else they disappear from the
map, whilst they may be the same for more than 100 years.. Roads
will hardly change in the same period, but lay-out will, however not
on a yearly basis, but on much longer time period. <br>
Therefore it could make more sense to identify "Verification
Sensitive Areas" (VeSA's). They could be identified, by areas where
a lot of mapping activity is, (indicating that new developments),
or areas where based on map information, reviews could be relevant.
The latter would be a learning process (may be suitable for an AI
approach).<br>
<br>
I am afraid that if the map which opens with openstreetmap.org would
be a map "for internal use only", attraction for new mappers will
diminish. <br>
<br>
Regards, Hugo <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 13-5-2023 om 17:38 schreef Steve
Coast:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Dear all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">We formed OSMF to
take care of the map. Let’s reset and focus on that with a
strategic plan by the mappers for the mappers:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->The website will focus on
completing the map. The map currently shows the “best” view of
the map, it will be changed via voluntary or paid efforts to
show the “worst” view of the map to encourage completion, like
in the beginning when it was blank, and it led to huge efforts
to fill the map in:<o:p></o:p></p>
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normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->We will decide what the
main thing to complete is. For example, if we decide it’s
address data then we will do the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span>i.<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust:
none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal;
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font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position:
normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing:
auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->OSM
will only render roads with a new tag “addr:complete", where
mappers manually will have to mark roads as address complete.
This will immediately make the map go very blank and create a
large global project to finish addressing, which is the main
thing missing in OSM.<o:p></o:p></p>
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normal;"> </span>ii.<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust:
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font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position:
normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing:
auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Once
complete, we will take similar steps to map, for example, PoIs
and only show roads will all PoIs added.<o:p></o:p></p>
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normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->OSM will only render
features newer than 24 months to encourage refreshing and
revisiting. A tag “feature:verified_2023” or equivalent will be
used to do this, along with the last edit date of the feature. <o:p></o:p></p>
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normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Map notes will be turned on
by default.<o:p></o:p></p>
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normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Social and map quality
features will be built in to osm.org which will drive engagement
and mapping towards completion, for example alerting users to
edits or routing problems near where they edit.[2]<o:p></o:p></p>
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7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
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normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Leaderboards of editors,
countries, states, regions and counties will be front and center
to encourage editing, for example percentage of “addr:complete”
roads per country.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<!--[if !supportLists]-->2.<span style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
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font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Funding will focus on
completing the map:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<!--[if !supportLists]-->a.<span style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->By having a clear
metrics-based plan above we can seek funding to build specific
tools and features towards map completion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<!--[if !supportLists]-->b.<span style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->A paid “OpenStreetMap
Approved” program will standardize corporate membership by
certifying a company uses OSM data in a way that respects the
license and community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->A certified version of OSM
will be released quarterly that has been semi-automatically
checked for validity and correctness. Paid corporate members can
be involved in the process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
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font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->OSM conferences and local
chapters will pay OSMF a small fee per attendee or member and in
exchange also be “OpenStreetMap Approved”, once the board is
shown to be effective.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<!--[if !supportLists]-->3.<span style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->The board will focus on
completing the map:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Reduce the board size and
require regional representation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto;
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->Board members must make a
public financial and time commitment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
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font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->The board will build
completion metrics for the map, by using existing tools and
working with companies who already have many tools, and engaging
with the community. These will be the main agenda of the board
meetings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New
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font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->All discretionary funding
will go to projects and community members who build credible
plans to help complete the map.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">If this is
interesting, I’d love feedback. We can run some BoF sessions at
SOTM US, EU and Africa in July, November and December. Then SOTM
Asia when it is confirmed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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