<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><b>TL;DR: by providing hosting when is unlikely to have alternative, both increase awareness OpenStreetMap Foundation as public good at country level, yet on the same action, provide more detailed content to mappers (e.g editor-layer-index options)</b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm writing here not as if I would have to implement it. While I do not have experience with the very specific task of converting orthophotos to tiles, in addition to help with conversion scripts for the vector files to tiles, I do have expertise in infra and could help keep it online cheap as a volunteer. Anyway, some places I'm interested in do have reference data, and aren't friendly yet as a layer, but this seems to be more common. I will break it into 5 parts.<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4">1. Some existing practical implementations (not yet an OSMF dedicated strategy)</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To give an example of country level of both types:</div><div dir="auto"><ol><li>[overlay data layer] With iD editor (or any other editor which uses editor-layer-index) try to edit any city in Brazil and select the available "IBGE Nomes de Ruas" overlay layer (this was done by others here). This heavily helps mappers here to update OSM (unless history of an element shows the name already was updated, sometimes changesets even have reference to local laws that make the new name official). It was based on these shapefiles <<a href="https://www.ibge.gov.br/geociencias/organizacao-do-territorio/malhas-territoriais/28971-base-de-faces-de-logradouros-do-brasil.html?=&t=downloads" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibge.gov.br/geociencias/organizacao-do-territorio/malhas-territoriais/28971-base-de-faces-de-logradouros-do-brasil.html?=&t=downloads</a>> and current version is based on 2019 (not the 2021 latest year).</li><li>[background imagery] From editor-layer-index <<a href="https://osmlab.github.io/editor-layer-index/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osmlab.github.io/editor-layer-index/</a>>, South Africa is the only non-global layer available in Africa. Give a look at <<a href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/new-25cm-aerial-photos-available-from-chief-directorate-national-geo-spatial-information-cd-ngi/8452" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/new-25cm-aerial-photos-available-from-chief-directorate-national-geo-spatial-information-cd-ngi/8452</a>>. This is a background layer (e.g imagery, but much better level of detail), however is quite heavy on server storage compared to overlay layers.</li></ol></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(By the way, others here with examples of layers which show addresses in your regions, feel free to explain how you do)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4">2. Examples of good reference data and imagery which exist, but not ready to use for the mappers (or just undocumented)</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The streets layer in Brazil (this one is not provided as a layer by the government, so I guess someone setup Mapbox and let it free for mappers) is working, but in general the idea when doing it is keep up to date. My argument is that OSMF could be the owner of infra to host also such kinds of reference layers, in particular with addresses data (at least when it is known to exist). This is also better than mappers copying from private services when the government already has and is open license.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On recent calls on the Steve thread <<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2023-May/008566.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2023-May/008566.html</a>>, I did some research. To my surprise, for example, Zambia does actually have very high detail imagery (10cm) and some other information which could be overlayed (check <<a href="https://www.map.gov.zm/arcgis/rest" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.map.gov.zm/arcgis/rest</a>>). It's slow on very higher levels of zoom, but definitely far better to use than generic Bing/ESRI/Maxar (but unlikely to handle if more people keep accessing it at the same time). In Kenya, the open data server (which was also cited as a potential source by UGA-ITOS, which also helps UNOCHA with the Common Operational Datasets) is currently requiring authenticated access, so I think maybe they changed (check <<a href="https://www.opendata.go.ke/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.opendata.go.ke/</a>>). I started to look at other countries, but while obviously some of them just don't have the imagery online (might likely do have on disks if asked) the mappers from several work regions aren't using the tools with the same potential their government already has.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In case of regions that truly do not have addresses in vector files which could be converted to data layers (often major roads and big cities aren't a problem, but are for residential roads), it would be a different topic than I'm focusing on here, but in general is better assume that may have addresses, just not easy to find it. But I already found different places on OSM where someone (likely from government or paid by the government) updating addresses of their near small region, which in my honest opinion, unless they have some conflict with DWG or licensing (e.g. how they get back the data), it could be documented/encouraged. But in the practical side, the on-the-ground rule could be used for the local government to be sure to add the plate with the street names and know that it could be asked to prove with pictures (or trully only use names that are known by the locals).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4">3. On serving imagery/data layers be or not relevant to OpenStreetMap Foundation (considering is open to donations from government)</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I know a major reason for OSMF not taking some roles is to avoid competing with the ecosystem around. However the hosting of very high detailed imagery and (which requires help from local users to re-run the scripts to re-generate updated dada layers over the years) have better up to date reference layers (like the addresses which a mappers could consider if adding of not to OpenStreetMap) is already one task which is non-profitable to offer for free to mappers. And lack of access directly affects data quality and level of details. I mean, sometimes Bing and ESRI can be more up to date, but in my experience as a mapper, features that are older (but higher detail and extra care to be precise on coordinates) often are very useful.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Very few mappers would have additional skills to know how to set up a custom background layer or how to convert the scripts to load on their editors. In Europe more often there's people from the community doing this, but with some planning, it could be done in other regions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, the mere fact of just hosting higher levels of detail imagery and being a place for volunteers (or government itself) suggest more up to date data layers is sufficient to OSMF not make any promises on what the general mapper community would do or not with this. This kind of thing is "boring", but somewhat tends to be repetitive across countries. The difference of today's editor-layer-index is OSMF (in special as owner of donated hardware) be willing to also host such content which today either is locked in someone else's shapefiles in a computer or simply the server used at regional level would be made private access if starts to have too much bandwidth use (which likely be the case if suggested for mappers).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">From a fundraising perspective, since the suggestion is keep initial and continuous cost low to OSMF scale regions, I would suggest be better just not have "package prices'', and leave donations to be fully voluntary by governments and focus on mappers (which likely will have not only generic local mappers and overseas hobbyist, but actually employers from government, which would naturally become stakeholders to support in future OSMF relevance). This is also good because it can take time to find potential content sources, prepare the data and then prepare the hardware, and then expect the feedback.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4">4. On keeping it cheap the costs make it online (so OSMF can use donations justified by this to other areas)</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For hosting the hardware, typically a university with support for on own data center (in Brazil <a href="https://ix.br" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ix.br</a> would be the place to search for candidates) or worst case, any friendly Internet Service Provider (similar to how Netflix already would use as cache server <a href="https://openconnect.netflix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://openconnect.netflix.com</a>) could do it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On the hardware itself, unless others have better alternatives, my suggestion would be we look for donations of servers which are being decommissioned from datacenters (even between different countries, the tendency of specifications is similar). Either with a recommendation letter from OSMF (or, if it wouldn't be of interest to OSMF, me and others just ask Steve Coast to do it outside), this is viable. Often at least the disks will need to be changed for bigger new ones (look as example the strategy used in South Africa), but this is unlikely to be done by the same donor of the server(s). These extra parts in which original hardware cannot be used likely require calling other sponsors (again, some kind of letter of recommendation or better).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">People to fix/upgrade/prepare the hardware will depend on where the country will be. But if the source or destiny of a hardware would be in Brazil, this wouldn't be a problem and my peers here (most nor related to OSM, but either working as sysadmins or hackerspaces) could help other regions depending on the language they speak.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What is granted to involve costs is shipping and smaller non predicted issues (e.g. if you need some cables or some piece of hardware too cheap to ask for a donation, but not for who is doing the repair/upgrade).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The major permanent costs to OSMF would be the paid employers to keep the infra after it is online (this might be a good reason to decide with them the minimum acceptable donated hardware), including having a disaster recovery plan ahead. Both some spare hardware and more disks than what goes on the production server for imagery would be needed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway, it is possible to do this, even without OSMF, but at a lower scale/focus. But OSMF owning donated hardware and making sure content very focused to mappers is kept available (when sometimes not even the original may be), is one strategy of preparing itself to be more welcomed directly from the government without compromising what mappers would do it not.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4">5. Final comments</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I edited the title, but this was mostly a more focused reply to email weeks ago on fundraising (because could make additional reasons for local governments get closer to OSMF) and, obviously, the recent discussions on addresses and the fact that without such layers this make less likely mappers to improve street names on the map. The background imagery likely would be the most demanding on hardware (and need far more planning), but the idea of looking for potential reference addresses vector files and putting them online (and we try to do our best to keep them updated when source updates them) as a layer seems a win-win sooner.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for content not already imagery, I do believe in special data relevant for geocoding (street address, but if available house numbers) as long as log overly fragmented to automated update of the layers, it could be done. A counter example is when the government also has vector dada for points of interest, but this could create too many layers on each region, while it might be better to focus on addresses or features used for routing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, from the drafted <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Cluster_A" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Cluster_A</a>, one idea already was an attempt to make it friendly to have more volunteer sysadmins, which would fit perfectly with host additional country and province level content.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Att.</div><div dir="auto">Rocha</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>De: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Mikel Maron</strong> <span dir="auto"><></span><br>Date: ter, 21 de mar de 2023 10:49<br>Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Consultation on fundraising strategy<br>To: OSMF Talk <<a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br></div><br><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr">Olivier asked</div><div dir="ltr">> <span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Do we have materials that explain in a quick/effective way what is OSM and how the money they will provide will be used?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr">Yes, developing new communication materials is part of the campaign. This is an area where help from writers and designers, from all over the world, will be key.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Rocha suggested</div><div dir="ltr">> <span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">propose to the board vote about being willing to accept government donations</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr">No need to vote, we'll gladly take government money. This fundraising campaign will focus on diversification. Expect public sector money will take a long term effort to produce results. There are opportunities with governments and multilaterals like UN OCHA, mainly as programmatic grants. For example, there are some programs in the EU that support open source. If anyone comes across something that might fit, please let us know. <span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">We will look into these opportunities, and see what might fit.</span></span></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Mikel</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 02:12:14 AM EDT, Emerson Rocha via osmf-talk <<a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-6918306935866649444m_-8613315809595315692m_-663405222928369583m_1430121164023383302m_3426396876113484782m_-8813529654460387324m_-1919238014823223071m_-8489266366593411731m_-137676986953722402m_-1711732189472763185m_-7838009565480160596m_-902775838578649903m_-4570748656947478395m_-4898689866529303749m_8342564718193759620m_-6323600673559535738m_-601210483186555280m_-5540090392519642569m_-627002254833091160m_3797692227173016128m_-1288619422936186552m_-1798802619372891272m_1018595163483740070m_4647785498974375784m_6860466699340218131m_5838480235307918932m_7132240290248527944m_236791460160781438m_-8154597104352738770m_-932380508189851459m_7995740490823519013m_4233535208108382350m_5840154612536759615m_8137570835414626951m_6324284815487911054yiv4979659860"><div><div dir="ltr">I would propose to the board vote about being willing to accept government donations: several are directly and indirectly using OpenStreetMap data for years, even if to revalidate their own geodata.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Examples of how is used:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">1. Going on use country by country varies. It's not straightforward to summarize, however it does exist, just not explicitly organized editing. I think they're likely to focus on fixing/improving features which are relevant for what department they work in, which both non international administrative boundaries (often the very first edits) and roads network be a common trend. Likely places with far more content, there's more heavy use. (this is something that could eventually be documented upfront on the OSM wiki)<br clear="none">2. But at international level, just to give an idea of tip of the iceberg: OpenStreetMap data is the second major dataset provider on UN OCHA data portal <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://data.humdata.org/organization?sort=datasets%20desc" target="_blank">https://data.humdata.org/organization?sort=datasets%20desc</a>, just after the World Bank (which is mostly for statistics, not what goes on OpenStreetMap). And from a significant amount of datasets by organization uploaders, quite often OpenStreetMap data and directly related ecosystem of tools are used in part of their data workflow (not hard to think, considering the world-level alternative tends to be proprietary or shapefiles). Also, the idea of "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team United States Inc" be some kind of a bridge between humanitarian sector and OpenStreetMap is erroneous: first, by far, most used data from OpenStreetMap are from non organized editing at all, and then, from what HOTUSI actually brings for data on OpenStreetMap, buildings without any metadata (not even if they if they're a house) while take space on map and is viable have large numbers, have no use at all in emergency response (one starting point for what is used: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://humanitarian.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/imtoolbox/pages/242090029/Natural+Disaster+CODs" target="_blank">https://humanitarian.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/imtoolbox/pages/242090029/Natural+Disaster+CODs</a>); not even UN OCHA have any documented use for these generic buildings promoted by HOTUSI as "humanitarian mapping", but they have for so much more which OpenStreetMap have. I could talk much more here, but I'm keeping it short.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">> Frederik Ramm said:<br clear="none">> I'm not advocating for either, just pointing out that the need for funds<br clear="none">> is not god-given. Frequently on these mailing lists, a knee-jerk<br clear="none">> reaction of people to various problems is not "how can I help" but "the<br clear="none">OSMF should pay someone to do it" (...)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm anxious to help on this, and do it for free, pro bono publico! Then we could go for others to use their contact network with governments, but even without more people with me, it is feasible I get some sorts of "letters of recommendation" from trusted professionals on how OpenStreetMap data is so essential. It's also a "low risk, high reward" approach, not just because it's a niche which OpenStreetMap is become the open alternative without replacement (even comercial alternatives which, for example, can deal with "world views" on disputed borders depend on OSM data), but because is would be very, very weird go for government donations (which can sometimes even be predictable commitment 3 to 5 years ahead) while would be public know someone would take a %. The logic is similar to why individual OSMF membership donations would cause trouble as part of this paid fee job, but in case of going through this kind of donations, a bigger network of contacts is better.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Steve Coast says<br clear="none">> One of the many advantages of this is that companies often find it easier to fund something if there is a reason, something they get in exchange, like conference slots and so on, rather than throwing money into an eternal black hole, with nothing to show for it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">No idea how others here have about the government, but to say upfront, how the government spends money is different from commercial companies. This thinking is partially applicable. Assuming one is able to prove OpenStreetMap as a public good (and I personally would focus as country/province/municipality level, not as foreign aid) then implies is can suffer Free-rider problem <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem</a>>, which means the government can do it, if not profitable from a market perspective. However, the reason I partially agree is, similar to how companies as donors would try to act in self interest, a government could naively attempt to try to influence things related to disputed territories and the default place names, so it may totally be worth reinforcing things upfront (but this might already be ready, on this document from 2013 <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf</a>). Governments also often are a source of reference data, so it can be stimulated to explicitly make it compatible to add to OpenStreetMap, even if it is not granted if it will be imported. Maybe there's other things which could be acceptable in exchange (even if it means those who do it are also volunteers), without any new compromise than already is possible. I also think that this is a moment of going after governments, even if lower values are given to OSMF, and then use the contacts to get rights with a more formal way to import data *to OpenStreetMap* (it's better than letting potential future competition do it alone). It's up to suggestions of others any other point I'm missing.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">As last comment, others may see less problematic, but for government (if the contacts are the ones who would think as "aid", not internal use), I believe is better not accept "earmarking donations'' (WikiMedia Foundation is successful in avoiding it, but charitable organizations often not) and while is obviously good multi-year commitment, consider limit how my any single government could donate per year (this reduces incentives to make threats of stop donations to force some decision). While (at least if considering foreign aid) it is easy to find massive numbers, by going with a lower average, it simplifies use of contact networks to make more countries/provinces/municipalities get engaged and reduce the need for higher justification on those which could pay more.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Att.<br clear="none">Rocha<br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Emerson Rocha<br clear="none">Full stack developer at Alligo<br clear="none">Transdisciplinary researcher at Etica.AI<br clear="none">Member of The IEEE Special Interest Group on Humanitarian Technology (IEEE SIGHT)<br clear="none">Member of The IEEE Global Initiative on Ethics of Autonomous and Intelligent Systems</div>
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