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<p dir="auto">We can then revisit whether people want even further micro-control like choosing their own filters (to override the decisions of the cartographers).</p>
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<p dir="auto"><a class="user-mention notranslate" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/gravitystorm/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm">@gravitystorm</a> So it seems that you're not against having filters. You're just against applying them by default (even if it can be turned off). In that case, why not implement <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/5324#issuecomment-2480755496" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/5324/hovercard">my UI proposal</a>, but have the map always by light by default (in every theme). And those who want a filter, they can enable it with 2 clicks. Of course, we would still need to discuss which filters to choose and test them. But isn't this way simpler than what you're proposing? We can even mark this as a beta feature, if you want.</p>

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