<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Steven, our meetings are intended to be every week on Thursday. And I'll be sending out notification two days prior to the meeting.<br><div> </div>== Mikel Maron ==<br>+254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://mapkibera.org/">http://mapkibera.org/</a></span><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
strategic@openstreetmap.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, January 21, 2011 9:39:03 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Strategic] Meta-SWG<br></font><br>I would like to be more active in the strategic WG but I find that I am often only getting notice of meetings at a day's notice which makes it difficult to schedule time when travelling.<br><br>Could be plan less frequent calls/meetings and publish times further in advance?<br><br>steven<br><br><br>_____________________<br><br>Steven Feldman<br>_____________________<br>KnowWhere Consulting<br><br>m: +44 (0) 7958 924 101<br>w: knowwhere<br>t: @StevenFeldman<br><br>On 21 Jan 2011, at 12:00, <a ymailto="mailto:strategic-request@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:strategic-request@openstreetmap.org">strategic-request@openstreetmap.org</a> wrote:<br><br>> Send Strategic mailing list submissions to<br>> <a
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<br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT (Richard Weait)<br>> 2. Re: Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT (Chris Fleming)<br>> 3. Re: Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT (Grant Slater)<br>> 4. Meta-SWG (Richard Weait)<br>> 5. Re: Meta-SWG (Mikel Maron)<br>> 6. Re: Meta-SWG (Milo van der Linden)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:03:49 -0500<br>> From: Richard Weait <<a ymailto="mailto:richard@weait.com" href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>><br>> To: Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org"
href="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org">strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Strategic] Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <AANLkTingpnvYKx4A90NVuTTpU+YAmr-VQyTmsX=<a ymailto="mailto:CFZmw@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CFZmw@mail.gmail.com">CFZmw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Hey<br>>> <br>>> We're due to meet tomorrow on IRC, #osm-strategic<br>> <br>> You mean, right now.<br>> <br>> Anybody else going to join in today?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:05:26 +0000<br>> From: Chris Fleming <<a
ymailto="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org" href="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org">me@chrisfleming.org</a>><br>> To: Richard Weait <<a ymailto="mailto:richard@weait.com" href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org">strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Strategic] Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT<br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4D384F36.3000901@chrisfleming.org" href="mailto:4D384F36.3000901@chrisfleming.org">4D384F36.3000901@chrisfleming.org</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>> <br>> On 20/01/11 15:03, Richard Weait wrote:<br>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mikel Maron<<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Hey<br>>>> <br>>>> We're due
to meet tomorrow on IRC, #osm-strategic<br>>> You mean, right now.<br>>> <br>>> Anybody else going to join in today?<br>>> <br>> Trying to get on but don't seem to be able to connect, anyone know of a <br>> web irc gateway?<br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> Chris<br>> <br>> -- <br>> e: <a ymailto="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org" href="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org">me@chrisfleming.org</a><br><span>> w: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.chrisfleming.org">www.chrisfleming.org</a></span><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:08:11 +0000<br>> From: Grant Slater <<a ymailto="mailto:openstreetmap@firefishy.com" href="mailto:openstreetmap@firefishy.com">openstreetmap@firefishy.com</a>><br>> To: Chris Fleming <<a ymailto="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org"
href="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org">me@chrisfleming.org</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org">strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Strategic] Meeting tomorrow January 20, 3pm GMT<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <AANLkTinHwNgtvY8jB+nxtbvSTvp=dW7X7+<a ymailto="mailto:hZr_KmWV1c@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:hZr_KmWV1c@mail.gmail.com">hZr_KmWV1c@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> On 20 January 2011 15:05, Chris Fleming <<a ymailto="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org" href="mailto:me@chrisfleming.org">me@chrisfleming.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> Anybody else going to join in today?<br>>>> <br>>> Trying to get on but don't seem to be able to connect, anyone know of a web<br>>> irc gateway?<br>>> <br>> <br>> <a href="http://irc.openstreetmap.org/"
target="_blank">http://irc.openstreetmap.org/</a><br>> <br>> Regards<br>> Grant<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:28:13 -0500<br>> From: Richard Weait <<a ymailto="mailto:richard@weait.com" href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>><br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org">strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: [Strategic] Meta-SWG<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:AANLkTimY4en-peELSdPo_gGUi3LthaUB3C_4sv7X4CtU@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:AANLkTimY4en-peELSdPo_gGUi3LthaUB3C_4sv7X4CtU@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTimY4en-peELSdPo_gGUi3LthaUB3C_4sv7X4CtU@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> We've been casual about organization of SWG to this point and I think<br>> that this is a
good time to get a little more formal. After all, if<br>> we are going to provide resources for the OSMF, surely we should go<br>> about that in a way that assures OSMF and other WGs that they can rely<br>> upon us.<br>> <br>> Things that we can improve:<br>> <br>> 1) SWG has only one formal member.<br>> 2) Two of our four most recent meetings have made no progress on agenda items.<br>> 3) Deliverables from recent meetings have gone unaddressed during<br>> subsequent meetings.<br>> <br>> Suggestions for discussion:<br>> <br>> a) Formalize membership, provide guidelines for attendance<br>> expectations and for notice when attendance is not possible. Perhaps<br>> two unexcused absences should lead to removal from SWG membership?<br>> <br>> b) Provide guidelines for how many and which members should be in<br>> attendance for a meeting. Must the chair be in attendance? Must
a<br>> board member be in attendance? How many members / what percentage of<br>> the membership?<br>> <br>> c) What policy should we adopt regarding deliverables? It should<br>> recognize that SWG want to be reliable to OSMF, other WGs and<br>> ultimately the OSM community, but it should also recognize that SWG<br>> members are volunteers. Do deliverables have deadlines? How do we<br>> back each other up and continue to serve the community when "Real Life<br>> Stuff" gets in the way for one member or another?<br>> <br>> d) What would make SWG more effective?<br>> <br>> Best regards,<br>> Richard<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:52:52 -0800 (PST)<br>> From: Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To:
Richard Weait <<a ymailto="mailto:richard@weait.com" href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:strategic@openstreetmap.org">strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Strategic] Meta-SWG<br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:68691.37259.qm@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" href="mailto:68691.37259.qm@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com">68691.37259.qm@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> Agreed, this is a good time to solidify how we work. And sorry for my absence <br>> today, just plain blankness of mind, no excuse.<br>> <br>> <br>>> Suggestions for discussion:<br>>> <br>>> a) Formalize membership, provide guidelines for attendance<br>>> expectations and for notice when attendance is not possible. Perhaps<br>>> two unexcused absences should lead to
removal from SWG membership?<br>> <br>> Thoughts:<br>> - we need current informal members to state they want to be formal members.<br>> - joining the group has criteria of foundation membership? anything else? is <br>> there an optimal size? honestly, i think we can keep this simple as possible, <br>> and just use best judgement<br>> - we'll need a secretary role to record absences and excuses.<br>> - that removal policy keeps it simple. we should also allow people back if they <br>> recommit<br>> <br>>> b) Provide guidelines for how many and which members should be in<br>>> attendance for a meeting. Must the chair be in attendance? Must a<br>>> board member be in attendance? How many members / what percentage of<br>>> the membership?<br>> <br>> So far from the Board, Henk and myself have been involved. I do think someone <br>> from the Board should be in
attendance.<br>> <br>>> c) What policy should we adopt regarding deliverables? It should<br>>> recognize that SWG want to be reliable to OSMF, other WGs and<br>>> ultimately the OSM community, but it should also recognize that SWG<br>>> members are volunteers. Do deliverables have deadlines? How do we<br>>> back each other up and continue to serve the community when "Real Life<br>>> Stuff" gets in the way for one member or another?<br>> <br>> Deliverables have had deadlines so far. If deadlines aren't met, it happens with <br>> volunteers,<br>> the group needs to quickly respond and reassign tasks if necessary.<br>> <br>>> d) What would make SWG more effective?<br>> <br>> Thanks for pushing this Richard.<br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a
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href="mailto:FReEh909znFYrV_Lxap2Udo_tbQDObc@mail.gmail.com">FReEh909znFYrV_Lxap2Udo_tbQDObc@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> Another sorry here, I too wish I could have made it.<br>> <br>> I hereby state that I want to formally join. Mikel, I assume you will serve<br>> as chair?<br>> <br>> I also strongly suggest other working groups to also publish a clear chair<br>> on the working group webpage as stated during earlier conversations, it is<br>> good to know who to talk to if you need a statement of whatever kind from<br>> one of the working groups.<br>> <br>> 2011/1/20 Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>><br>> <br>>> Agreed, this is a good time to solidify how we work. And sorry for my<br>>> absence today, just plain blankness of mind, no excuse.<br>>>
<br>>>> Suggestions for discussion:<br>>>> <br>>>> a) Formalize membership, provide guidelines for attendance<br>>>> expectations and for notice when attendance is not possible. Perhaps<br>>>> two unexcused absences should lead to removal from SWG membership?<br>>> <br>>> Thoughts:<br>>> - we need current informal members to state they want to be formal members.<br>>> - joining the group has criteria of foundation membership? anything else?<br>>> is there an optimal size? honestly, i think we can keep this simple as<br>>> possible, and just use best judgement<br>>> - we'll need a secretary role to record absences and excuses.<br>>> - that removal policy keeps it simple. we should also allow people back if<br>>> they recommit<br>>> <br>>> <br>>>> b) Provide guidelines for how many and which members should be in<br>>>>
attendance for a meeting. Must the chair be in attendance? Must a<br>>>> board member be in attendance? How many members / what percentage of<br>>>> the membership?<br>>> <br>>> So far from the Board, Henk and myself have been involved. I do think<br>>> someone from the Board should be in attendance.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>>> c) What policy should we adopt regarding deliverables? It should<br>>>> recognize that SWG want to be reliable to OSMF, other WGs and<br>>>> ultimately the OSM community, but it should also recognize that SWG<br>>>> members are volunteers. Do deliverables have deadlines? How do we<br>>>> back each other up and continue to serve the community when "Real Life<br>>>> Stuff" gets in the way for one member or another?<br>>> <br>>> Deliverables have had deadlines so far. If deadlines aren't met,
it happens<br>>> with volunteers,<br>>> the group needs to quickly respond and reassign tasks if necessary.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>>> d) What would make SWG more effective?<br>>> <br>>> Thanks for pushing this Richard.<br>>> <br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Strategic mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Strategic@openstreetmap.org">Strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/strategic" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/strategic</a><br>>> <br>>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/strategic/attachments/20110120/a59e60ce/attachment-0001.html"
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