<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Insight from Muki (from a discussion on Google MapMaker's slum mapping initiative). Something to consider in our discussion of Front Page and other strategic issues.<br><div> </div>== Mikel Maron ==<br>+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">----- Forwarded Message ----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Muki Haklay <m.haklay@ucl.ac.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies <ppgis@dgroups.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, April 27, 2011
8:12:14 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [ppgis] RE: Collaborative slum mapping initiative with Google Map maker kicks off<br></font><br>
But here is a problem, or inconvenient aspect, which we need to face
up to. <br>
<br>
While OpenStreetMap is promoting the concept of open access to the
data, as a community it is not as welcoming and open to people as it
should be. It's got a strong 'hacker' culture, so while the efforts
of the few people who are trying to make it participatory &
democratic, by and large it is not easy to use or join. <br>
<br>
Google made map maker very easy to use - in few clicks you can start
adding data. OpenStreetMap - despite being aware of their usability
problems since at least 2007, have made relatively little progress -
Where is the Google Map Maker interface equivalence? Where is the
ability of anyone to start mapping within 2 minutes from wanting to
do so? Where is the deep concern within the community about the very
high number of people who manage to register to OSM but do not enter
any data? Where is the concern about the aggressive exchanges in
forums that are exclusionary by their very nature? Where is the
discussion about the gender bias? <br>
<br>
Just like with Linux, OSM have an ambivalent culture which at the
same time want people to join while feeling very proud that it is
'not for everyone' and a certain level of mastery is required to
join in. The lack of a major sustained effort to make it as easy as
Google Map Maker - especially when there is such an obvious example
out there - lead to the conclusion that within the 'do'-ocracy that
OSM is, not enough people think that it's a top priority. <br>
<br>
Universal usability, accessibility and ease of use are critical
elements of making participatory mapping system truly participatory
and democratic. Actually, that's why I got interested in
Human-Computer Interaction and why I think that it's critical for
participatory GIS. <br>
<br>
That's the way in which OpenStreetMap is leaving a gap that Google
utilises to do their work and make people ignore the data ownership,
privacy and control issues. <br>
<br>
Muki<br>
<br>
On 27/04/2011 06:14, Giacomo Rambaldi wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There are alternatives, which are very important
when it comes to socially sensitive data. Google Maps Rio
case docet.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Map Kibera uses openstreetmap <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mapkibera.org">www.mapkibera.org</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Giacomo Rambaldi</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">
<a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a> [<a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Open Forum on Participatory Geographic
Information Systems and Technologies<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ppgis] Collaborative slum mapping
initiative with Google Map maker kicks off</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Richard<br>
<br>
I'm shocked. Please read this and respond: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635">http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635</a><br>
<br>
You are trying to organize people globally to map some of
the world's poorest areas, into a proprietary database,
wholly owned by Google. With the partnership of major
international organizations. Do you trust Google to manage
our common data resources, forever? Do you think this is the
best thing for slum dwellers?<br>
<br>
Note what was reported just today in Rio: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13193503">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13193503</a></p>
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Best<br>
Mikel</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">== Mikel Maron ==<br>
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Richard
Sliuzas <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:sliuzas@itc.nl" target="_blank" href="mailto:sliuzas@itc.nl"><sliuzas@itc.nl></a><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tue, April 26, 2011 3:47:19 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ppgis] Collaborative slum mapping
initiative with Google Map maker kicks off</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some of you may be involved in past
or present slum mapping work or know of others who
are. If so you may be interested in collaborating in a
new slum Mapping Project via Google map Maker.
Together with my colleague Rob Lemmens and partners at
JRC, ISPRA and UN-Habitat we are trying to get more
people involved in the collaborative mapping of the
extent of slums in different cities around the world.
We are especially interested in collaborating with
Community Based Organizations and NGO’s but individual
contributions from those with local knowledge of slums
and unplanned neighborhoods are also very welcome.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On this website you will find more
details of the project <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sites.google.com/site/mapyourworldcommunity/events/slum-mapping#link">https://sites.google.com/site/mapyourworldcommunity/events/slum-mapping#link</a>.
If you are interested please read the information,
sign up and post a personal introduction message on
the forum to get started. Hope to see you on the site
soon.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Richard</p>
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