<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">10 GBP. If it's too much, they can ask for a waiver. And there's just some decisions that just have to be made by the OSMF. And the Board is elected.<br>There's plenty, if not most, of OSM that is done by consensus. OSMF doesn't decide what or how anyone maps.<br><br>Anyhow, I still think not just asking, but showing some options, is going to be the most effective. Working code is even more effective.<br><div> </div>== Mikel Maron ==<br>+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com><br><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> TimSC <mappinglists@sheerman-chase.org.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> strategic@openstreetmap.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, May 27, 2011 2:50:28 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Strategic] User feedback or What does the community want / miss / annoy<br></font><br>
I think consensus is a bit different than "lets put the search box<br>10px to the right and 20px down."<br><br>Seeing what features people want on the front page makes more sense.<br><br>There is really nothing that stops non-OSMF contributors from joining<br>OSMF. Not sure how that makes them accountable. I suppose some can't<br>afford it, but I doubt that is the reason of the majority.<br><br>-Kate<br><br>On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM, TimSC<br><<a ymailto="mailto:mappinglists@sheerman-chase.org.uk" href="mailto:mappinglists@sheerman-chase.org.uk">mappinglists@sheerman-chase.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> On 27/05/11 18:26, Steve Coast wrote:<br>>><br>>> On 5/27/2011 1:02 AM, Kai Krueger wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> On 05/27/2011 12:55 AM, SteveC wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> Sounds like design by committee to me :-(<br>>>><br>>>> How exactly is "knowing what your users / the
community wants" design by<br>>>> committee? How can having more information be bad in any decision process?<br>>><br>>> Pretty simple - you don't get any consensus therefore the data is pretty<br>>> meaningless. If you get 50% of people saying there should be a big map on<br>>> the front page and 50% say no map. What are you supposed to do? It will just<br>>> randomize you.<br>><br>> How do you know you won't get consensus? I'd be interested in hearing your<br>> justification. Usually there is some common ground even in the most violent<br>> disagreements.<br>><br>> I think we might agree that openstreetmap is run by consensus - or that<br>> could just be my imagination. Where does this consensus seeking happen<br>> except on the mailing lists? Or is decision by committee the de facto method<br>> for OSM decisions?<br>><br>> On 27/05/11 18:54, Steve Coast
wrote:<br>>><br>>> What we have to get away from (and what will stop you) is the list<br>>> permission culture. The lists will never agree to anything and we have to<br>>> stop treating them as the place to get permission to do anything.<br>><br>> How exactly is OSMF accountable to the non-OSMF member contributors, if you<br>> just ignore the lists?<br>><br>> Tim<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Strategic mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Strategic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Strategic@openstreetmap.org">Strategic@openstreetmap.org</a><br><span>> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/strategic">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/strategic</a></span><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Strategic mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Strategic@openstreetmap.org"
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