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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Je suis d'accord avec Pierre : le tag
landuse=common convient bien à ces espaces ouverts dans les
villages et villes africaines et un parc n'a pas grand-chose à
voir avec.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with Pierre: the tag
landuse=common is well suited to these open spaces in African
villages and towns and a park has little to do with it.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/04/2020 à 21:59, Pierre Béland
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Like others, I did map many
of these. I can tell you that we often see a common space in
center of african villages, often near the school, and it
is surely not green and have no facilities like in the
Nordic countries parks.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">People have to understand
that there are often no infrastructures in African villages.
But young people still gather and play.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I dont think that the OSM
tagging schema should reflect the legal status in specific
countries like UK. Various tags can reflect various
realities. And leisure=common seems to be quite well
adapted to Africa and dont exist to stretch the legal
defininition of UK. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">When the tag is used in UK,
I would understand that the UK contributors want to follow a
certain rule particular to their country.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I dont agree to
deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa. <br>
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<div> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4,
Jean-Marc Liotier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jm@liotier.org"><jm@liotier.org></a> a écrit : </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:
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href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA
" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA
</a>- larger than a <br>
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as a multipurpose common <br>
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<div dir="ltr">area (pickup soccer games are a staple but
parking or lounging around <br>
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<div dir="ltr">also occur, and the occasional popular event)
and usually surfaced with <br>
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<div dir="ltr">sand or whatever the ground is.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We have long tagged it leisure=common (389
ways in Senegal and 486 in <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mali according to <a
href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN" rel="nofollow"
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- which is a bit of <br>
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but worked well enough and <br>
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<div dir="ltr">did not conflict with its British usage. But
leisure=common is now <br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, what should we use instead ? <br>
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon
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<div dir="ltr">leisure=park - which isn't too much of a
stretch functionally but evokes <br>
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British commons are just as <br>
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leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or I'm <br>
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