# [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

Richard Bullock rb357 at cantab.net
Tue Dec 29 12:58:54 GMT 2009

```> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
>> Also, incline=* is still mathematically valid for nodes to indicate
>> the instantaneous incline at that point, so I don't see a problem with
>> that.
>
> I might be old, I might have gone to school in the Dark Ages, but a point
> cannot have an incline.

But the point is part of a way, and the way *does* have a gradient at that
point, which is what Roy meant by "instantaneous incline at that point"
(assuming that a road's altitude is differentiable, a fairly safe
assumption).

Most places I've ever seen where the road is very steep usually have a sign
telling you how steep
In the UK they look like this one I came across in Leek in Staffordshire
(which I stupidly decided to cycle in both directions)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19863303@N00/4224573437/
In the UK, older signs are often found with the gradient expressed as a
ratio e.g. 1:5

Might be worth using incline = 20%, (or if the way is reversed incline
= -20%), instead of just steep if the information is available (i.e. as a
sign).

Presumably the gradient on the sign is the maximum gradient along the way in
question, so might be some sense in marking the point where the gradient is
a maximum as a node.

Having said that, if you are driving a laden truck, or indeed cycling etc.,
you might be interested about knowing that a length of way was steep, rather
than just that the gradient at a point further up is x%. You may be able to
turn off before reaching the steep section of road, but you won't know where
it starts unless someone uses a way to tag the incline.

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