Noel David Torres Taño
envite at rolamasao.org
Tue Oct 19 04:40:05 BST 2010
On Martes 19 Octubre 2010 02:28:39 John F. Eldredge escribió:
> What if a country does have kiosks, but the list of goods most often sold
> at kiosks is different than what the usual list would be in Germany? Are
> we likely to end up with an edit war on the wiki? I thought one of the
> goals was to try to make the tags reflect international usage, not just
> the usage in a single country. Where there is a dispute, we tend to fall
> back to British usage. For any UK folks on the list, what goods would you
> expect a kiosk store to sell, by default?
I can not agree less. I thougth that OSM was an international effort, not a
british one (nor a german one, by the way). It is not more than a coincidence
that the main language is english.
You must take account that for a lot of thinks there is not something that can
be resembled as "international usage" since thing change from country to
country. The way anglosaxon countries talk about some things is different from
the way latin countries do. And surely differs from the way germans do, or
others do. What does a horseway do in, say, Western Sahara? I can imagine
India claiming for elephantways, or Spain claiming for sheepways.
So please, don't be so self-centric (nor british-centric). I think it is OK to
argue with examples from each one's country, since that way we all learn about
each other's ways of tagging, but don't think that things can be only one way.
As I said earlier, there is quite a common list of what is sold in a kiosk-
type shop in Spain, either being a kiosk-type building or not. There are
similar lists for other countries, even when not exactly the same. Who can
need ice cold water in the street in Norway? I'm quite sure nobody so I can
bet that is not in norge kiosk list, but I can assure you that in Seville or
Las Palmas you will pay two euros for it on summer, so cold water is in the
list for Spain. The same for newspapers: there are places where they use to be
sold by small machines in the street, like New York. There are places when
they are sold by specialized places, so shop=newsagent ("newspapers,
cigarettes, other goods" What is exactly "other goods"?), but there are places
where they are sold together with bus tickets, odds and ends, cold beverages
(typically non-alcoholic or with beer), ice, candy and very very cheap toys,
so how to cope with this other tradition? shop=newsagent is not adequate, so
let's call them shop=kiosk, being them building=kiosk or not. And tag in this
way every place with more or less this same list of goods, broader than
newsagent and shorter than convenience.
I fully agree with Ulf: "I'm not living in a black and white world - do you?"
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