<div>These short-distance signposted routes can be tagged as lcn (local cycle network) relations. </div>
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<div>I'd prefer there to be a distinction between these (which I think of as leisure/tourist routes and would call "tcn") and utility routes into a town centre, but there isn't a distinction at the moment (and altering relations at a later date is easy).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Sam Vekemans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com">acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Ok, oops, didn't get to broadcast about it.<br>...<br>but anyway... "Greenways" are (technically) downright confusing to map.<br>
<br>The surfaces dont match, nor to the uses match.. the only thing that is common is the name. and that there are signs all over the place for it.<br><br>In Winnipeg here's an example<br><a href="http://www.winnipegtrails.ca/trails-maps/sturgeon-creek-pathway/" target="_blank">http://www.winnipegtrails.ca/trails-maps/sturgeon-creek-pathway/</a><br>
<br>Here's an example in Peterborough, Ontario<br><a href="http://www.jaggedpath.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=54" target="_blank">http://www.jaggedpath.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=54</a><br>
<br>Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it "route=greenway" and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the sections as appropriate.<br><br>If the section is a paved path and there is a line on it and a sign that says 'bike route' then it's called a highway=cycleway, <br>
if it's multi-use and paved..<br>then highway=track surface=paved bicycle=yes foot=yes motorcar=no<br>if there are signs that say 'no bikes' then it would be<br>highway=footway<br>surface=paved<br>bicycle=no<br>
<br>And if its gravel.. the consensus is that highway=cycleway is not appropriate. Instead highway=track surface=gravel bicycle=yes foot=yes<br><br>And if its dirt highway=path surface=dirt works... but ALSO highway=track surface=dirt bicycle=yes foot=yes sac_scale=btb .....<br>
<br>Anyway, the point is, that internationally when we say 'bicycle' we are referring to a road 'push-bike' where the surface is paved. If the surface is NOT paved then it's a 'mountain_bike' <br>
<br>.... and if it's an all terrain bike it's called a 'trekking_bike' .... and would that be appropriate for a 'greenway' (following the signs and bi-passing where no bikes aloud)<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenway_%28landscape%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenway_%28landscape%29</a><br>
<br>Here's the wiki about it.. how can we tag something thats foot 'and/or' bicycle?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Sam Vekemans<br>Across Canada Trails <br>-proposed wiki routes (the not confusing kind) Across Canada :-)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Steve Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com" target="_blank">stevagewp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:55 AM, John F. Eldredge <<a href="mailto:john@jfeldredge.com" target="_blank">john@jfeldredge.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The same meaning of greenways (paths on public land, allowed to pedestrians and bicycles but motorized vehicles), is in use here in Nashville, TN, USA. They are a part of the public park system, and, so far, are mostly along stream or river banks.<br>
<br></div>I don't think we call them that here (southeastern Australia) and we<br>also don't appear to have any "network" as such - every council just<br>creates their own style of bike path and connects it to whatever else<br>
is nearby. The latest trend is to build a bike path alongside every<br>new freeway or freeway extension, presumably to placate the<br>environmental protestors. They end up with such inspiring names as<br>"Eastlink Trail", "Western Ring Rd Trail", "Deer Park Bypass Wellness<br>
Trail"...<br><font color="#888888"><br>Steve<br></font>
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