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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tagging-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:tagging-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Livingston<BR><B>Sent:</B> 10 December 2009 11:01<BR><B>To:</B> Tag
discussion, strategy and related tools<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tagging]
bicycle=no<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On 09/12/2009, at 3:30 AM, Mike Harris wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=406562017-08122009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Personally - and I'm probably wrong! - I had always
thought that foot / bicycle = yes / no etc. did not say anything one way or
the other about formal legal status (hence leaving this to designation= )
but merely whether the evidence on the ground (whether signage - which may
or may not have strictly legal significance - or physical condition or even
local custom) suggested that the way was appropriate for the user
group concerned.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I don't think there is really a right an a wrong here, but I use those
tags in the completely opposite way - foot/bicycle=yes meaning you are legally
allowed to go there, and *=designated/designation=* meaning there is a
sign.<BR><SPAN class=843402416-10122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN class=843402416-10122009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>[MRH] </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=843402416-10122009><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=2>Fair comment
... just goes to show that practice differs widely. I have tried to
distinguish between designated=* (which I avoid as I'm not at
all clear what it means) and designation=* which I use for legal
designation in the local jurisdiction e.g. (in England) public_footpath,
public_bridleway, restricted_byway etc. However, if -as several responses have
suggested, the best way of looking at foot/bicycle=yes/no etc. is to regard
them as spinning off from access= then your approach of giving them legal
significance could follow logically - without conflict to the more precise
definition given by my use of the designation=* tag (or equivalent usage in
other jurisdictions).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=843402416-10122009></SPAN><BR>The big problem with sorting
this mess out is all the existing data used different ways. I think the only
way to handle it would be to split it into two or more tags, and deprecate the
old one.<BR><SPAN class=843402416-10122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN class=843402416-10122009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>[MRH] <FONT color=#008000>+1!! I think this is
probably the best long-term approach. The problem -as shown by previous
threads on this and related topics - is that in the free-form world of OSM
there is no-one really able and willing to take on the task of deciding how to
split, what into, and what to deprecate ...</FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
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