<div>Thanks for the feedback Sam.</div><div><br></div>kerosin and I have talked about a couple of different approaches:<div><br></div><div>social_facility=shelter</div><div>social_facility:for=homeless </div><div><br></div>
<div>or along the lines as you recommended:</div><div><br></div><div>social_facility=shelter</div><div>shelter=homeless_shelter</div><div><br></div><div>I find social_facility:for=homeless to be more descriptive, it's clear who this feature is for. Is there any consensus one way or the other?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, if I wanted to capture specific data about that they offered, I'd like to follow the amenity:recycling tagging scheme (<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling" style="color: rgb(85, 26, 139); ">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling</a>):</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">+ homeless_shelter:programs=jobs</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">+ homeless</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">_shelter</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">:meals_served=breakfast</span></div>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">+ homeless</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">_shelter</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">:lodging=yes</span></div>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">+ homeless</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">_shelter</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">:emergency_medical=yes </span></div>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br></div><div>Is this a good model to follow?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Sean<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 18:48, Sam Vekemans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com">acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">yup,<br>
just change 'social_facility:for=homeless'<br>
to<br>
shelter=homess'<br>
<br>
<br>
this way it's a clear sub-sub-tag<br>
<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
sam<br>
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On 9/13/10, Sean Horgan <<a href="mailto:seanhorgan@gmail.com">seanhorgan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 21:52, Steve Bennett <<a href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com">stevagewp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Sean Horgan <<a href="mailto:seanhorgan@gmail.com">seanhorgan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > social_facility=emergency_shelter (a shelter for homeless people e.g. in<br>
>> > case of a disaster)<br>
>><br>
>> The description there looks horribly confusing to me. The words<br>
>> "homeless shelter" leap off the page, even though that's not what it's<br>
>> describing.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> Agreed, this description didn't work and that's what we're clearing up. In<br>
> fact I believe kerosin just removed that from the social_facility proposal<br>
> page:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_facility" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_facility</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> > social_facility=emergency<br>
>><br>
>> That tag strikes me as not intuitive - you need an accompanying<br>
>> description to have any idea what it's describing.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> There is a clear distinct between homeless people during normal times and<br>
> those who do not have homes during a disaster. The Humanitarian OSM tags<br>
> refers to the latter group as Internally Displaced Peoples (IDPs). Having<br>
> thought about it some more, I don't think we should include emergency<br>
> facilities into a social facilities feature as they serve different<br>
> populations at different times.<br>
><br>
> Here is an example of how a homeless shelter feature could be defined:<br>
><br>
> amenity=social_facility<br>
> + social_facility=shelter<br>
> + social_facility:for=homeless<br>
> + name=Loaves and Fishes Dining Room<br>
> + operator=Sacramento Loaves and Fishes<br>
> +building=yes<br>
> + wheelchair=yes<br>
> + opening hours=24/7<br>
> +Addr:Street=1321 North C Street<br>
> +Addr:City=Sacramento<br>
> +Addr:State=CA<br>
><br>
> A newbie question I have goes beyond the definition of social_facility and<br>
> into capturing more specific information about a homeless shelter, such as<br>
> specific programs they provide (e.g. veterans, jail visitation, job<br>
> training). Would it be appropriate to introduce a separate homeless_shelter<br>
> tag for that purpose?<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the help.<br>
><br>
> Sean<br>
><br>
><br>
>> That's my first glance reaction, which is worth what you paid for it.<br>
>><br>
>> Steve<br>
>><br>
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