Thanks for the summary, and for your efforts submitting patches. I'm all for drive_through; even if drive-through is the more "correct" term, an underscore is better for the reasons you've outlined.<br><br>
Thanks,<br>-Josh<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
Here's some additional context and history to frame the discussion:<br>
<br>
<br>
In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely,<br>
service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes<br>
similar to service=parking_aisle:<br>
<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html</a><br>
<br>
>From the ensuing discussion, "through" vs. "thru" was discussed, some<br>
people questioned the value of having such another value, and there<br>
was a side discussion about public right-of-ways vs. permissive<br>
accesses. The question of underscore vs. hyphen was also tackled.<br>
<br>
Based on the responses, the rough consensus that I gathered was for<br>
using service=drive_through. Why? Because people have said that OSM<br>
has a strong preference for unabbreviated words, and also that there's<br>
a strong preference for underscores (In fact, there is no hyphenated<br>
key or value in the Map Features page).<br>
<br>
Based on the discussion, I then changed all of the ways that I had<br>
already tagged with service=drive_thru to service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5228429" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5228429</a><br>
<br>
<br>
In October 2010, I re-opened the thread asking for opinions regarding<br>
the underscore vs. hyphen question because I noticed the hyphenated<br>
version in the Wiki:<br>
<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/tagging@openstreetmap.org/msg05167.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/tagging@openstreetmap.org/msg05167.html</a><br>
<br>
Again, most people that replied have expressed a preference for using<br>
the underscore. In addition, by that time, there was also another Wiki<br>
page for the drive_through=yes tag<br>
<<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drive_through" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drive_through</a>> to indicate<br>
that an amenity has drive-though service.<br>
<br>
Having two tags (drive_through=yes and service=drive-through) one with<br>
an underscore and another with a hyphen is quite inconsistent. So<br>
there's an incentive to harmonize these two tags to both use<br>
underscores.<br>
<br>
<br>
In April 2011, I moved the Wiki page to service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:service%3Ddrive_through&diff=628129&oldid=566268" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:service%3Ddrive_through&diff=628129&oldid=566268</a><br>
<br>
In May 2011, I corrected some tag values in some parts of the world:<br>
service=drivethrough -> service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059511" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059511</a><br>
service=drivethru -> service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059542" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059542</a><br>
service=drive_thru --> service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067153" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067153</a><br>
service=drive-through --> service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067345" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067345</a><br>
service=drive-through --> service=drive_through:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067383" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067383</a><br>
+ 10 further changesets.<br>
<br>
I didn't receive a message nor did anyone bring the topic up in the<br>
tagging mailing list so I figured that people were OK with what I did.<br>
I certainly modified all over the world and somebody would have<br>
noticed it.<br>
<br>
<br>
In June 2011 (a few days ago) I continued changing the values to use<br>
underscores instead of hyphens. Dave F. noticed and started this<br>
thread. Based on a suggestion to submit patches, I then submitted<br>
patches to Potlatch 2 at Github and the Mapnik stylesheet at Trac to<br>
use the underscore versions.<br>
<br>
<br>
This is the history of service=drive_through tag from my perspective.<br>
<br>
If this discussion will force the community to finally agree on the<br>
preferred value, then this whole thing would have been worth it.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:21 AM, James Mast <<a href="mailto:rickmastfan67@hotmail.com">rickmastfan67@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> All I know is that "service=drive-through" was rendered already in Mapnik<br>
> while "service=drive_through" is not.<br>
><br>
> Look here:<br>
> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.525952&lon=-80.006203&zoom=18&layers=M" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.525952&lon=-80.006203&zoom=18&layers=M</a><br>
><br>
> I had originally tagged the "Drive Thru's" for Taco Bell and Arby's here as<br>
> "service=drive-through" before "seav" changed them. The area now looks<br>
> really bad when you zoom out because they are now rendered as normal<br>
> "highway=service" ways.<br>
><br>
> Here's the original ticket on the Trac that I did that got the<br>
> "service=drive-through" rendered like parking aisles:<br>
> <a href="http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3193" target="_blank">http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3193</a><br>
><br>
> And put my vote in as "service=drive-through".<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> And if you guys didn't know, seav posted a request to have the rendering<br>
> changed today in Trac: <a href="http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3873" target="_blank">http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3873</a><br>
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