<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Richard Mann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard.mann.westoxford@gmail.com">richard.mann.westoxford@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
There's various systems that use railway=tram_stop. You tag what you<br>
like, but there's no guarantee anyone will pick up your data if you<br>
use something different. I don't know if that matters.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You mean to say that railway=tram_stop is the convention - if that's the case then I'm happy to adhere to that.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Some tram/light_rail systems run exclusively on-street, others use a<br>
bit of track, some are mostly on track (and probably have proper<br>
signalling). The distinctions are more technical than real. All of<br>
them cater for local journeys and are largely separate from whatever<br>
heavy rail system there is.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The distinction between tram and light rail that I pointed out in my reply to Nathan is a real one, although there are definitely hybrid systems (Amsterdam, Karlsruhe, Rotterdam/The Hague are examples I know of). </div>
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The distinctions feel to me to be techy things that belong in<br>
sub-tags. If there are very fuzzy boundaries, it doesn't make sense to<br>
have too many categories.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do agree there. Let's not overcomplicate things. By the context (the tracks are tagged railway=light_rail) any tool could figure out that the stops are light rail stops anyway.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Martijn</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> Richard,<br>
> Why 'should' they be a tram stop? Is that a convention I don't know about? I<br>
> can't derive it from the descriptions in the wiki.<br>
> The local situation here in Salt Lake is actually a little more complicated.<br>
> TRAX is definitely a light rail system (With Siemens SD-100 and Avanto sets)<br>
> but for significant stretches runs on former heavy rail trackbeds that the<br>
> transit authority owned or bought the rights of way of. As far as I can tell<br>
> the original heavy rail tracks are used, at least on some stretches. Of<br>
> course new signaling and overhead wires were installed.<br>
> Martijn<br>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Richard Mann<br>
> <<a href="mailto:richard.mann.westoxford@gmail.com">richard.mann.westoxford@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Trams and street-running light rail should have railway=tram_stop. Put<br>
>> in a sub-tag if you want to distinguish different types.<br>
>><br>
>> If your light-rail system runs onto heavy rail (eg famously in<br>
>> Karlsruhe), and shares stations with heavy rail passenger services,<br>
>> then use railway=station on the clearly heavy rail sections.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd avoid using railway=light_rail in marginal cases - I think some<br>
>> people use it for S-bahn services (loco-hauled double-deck carriages;<br>
>> definitely not lightweight!), and the tagging isn't entirely helpful<br>
>><br>
>> Richard<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Steve Bennett <<a href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com">stevagewp@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> A light rail stop, would that be a railway=tram_stop or a<br>
>> >> railway=station?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sounds like a third option is required. Here (Melbourne, Australia)<br>
>> > tram stops vary from just a sign on a telephone pole to "super stops"<br>
>> > (raised platforms, safety barriers and ticket machines) to former<br>
>> > train stations that now only serve light rails. The first are clearly<br>
>> > "railway=tram_stop", the last are really "railway=station" (but it<br>
>> > would be misleading to render them exactly the same as a real train<br>
>> > station), but the super stops are really something else, some subclass<br>
>> > of tram_stop maybe.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Steve<br>
>> ><br>
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