Thanks,<br><br>I think that I focused in an unfortunate tag for my proposal, and I think that I must reconsider this.<br>Regrettably in my village, too shops have a short life (less than one year) and you can find fallen trees that hinders minor paths since four years (<a href="http://www.elpuntavui.cat/noticia/article/1-territori/10-administracions/128353-la-generalitat-encara-no-ha-pagat-els-ajuts-als-municipis-afectats-per-la-ventada.html">the big gale occurred in january 2009</a>, there were phone calls and instances to the local government). <br>
So I guess it's all relative.<br>Ah! I'm a Linux user too ;)<br><br>I like the Rob's proposal because can do things more simples and useful. A description tag could be used for warning, and it could be better than an estatic tag.<br>
<br>There was a proposal similar: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hazard_warning">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hazard_warning</a><br>I will think in it :)<br><br>Regards,<br>
<br>ALBERT<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/10 Philip Barnes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 18:59 +0200, Konfrare Albert wrote:<br>
> Thanks Phil for your comments,<br>
><br>
> I didn't create a discussion page within the OSM wiki because I only<br>
> wanted make a proposal to OsmAnd's developers, for include a existing<br>
> key in OSM to personalize calculating routes for pedestrians. When<br>
> appeared complications because there wasn't a existing key in OSM, I<br>
> decided to make a proposal for a key: my first proposal, I'm a<br>
> rookie ;)<br>
><br>
> I also thought that there are temporary parts in the proposal, but<br>
> really there are many elements that are temporary: shops and offices<br>
> that close, the traffic signals that are changed, broken bollards<br>
> (that permite the pass), speed cameras that are changed of position,<br>
> chopped trees, public transport that changes its route, etc...<br>
</div>Shops and offices are not really temporary, they change but over<br>
relatively long periods of time. Bus routes are similar, they do not<br>
change very often.<br>
<br>
We really should not be tagging broken bollards as the restriction they<br>
are there to enforce are still there, and they will be fixed quickly<br>
(even if its initially by placing a cone over the broken bollard.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> I think that the map always needs someone prepared to monitor the<br>
> situation because elements will change continuously.<br>
</div>If we did that, we would have a much poorer map. There are not enough of<br>
us to monitor everywhere with that frequency. If we only mapped places<br>
we visit more than once a year, there would be huge holes in the map.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> If a repair of bridge was two years in OSM, perhaps until then this<br>
> information wasn't too important for nobody.<br>
</div>It is important that we get this right, this is where we are, or will<br>
be, judged. The road in question is unclassified and in this case people<br>
who do not know the are will just be taken a different way. But maybe a<br>
user has seen it and gone back to a closed source satnav, we will never<br>
know.<br>
At present I suspect the number using OSM based satnav will make Linux<br>
desktop usage seem a big success ( yes I am a linux user ), and I do not<br>
want to buy another 'closed source' satnav.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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> If you go to walk in a path with «dense vegetation» or with a «fallen<br>
> tree», and you are disposed to cross it...<br>
</div>A tree across a path is something that will again be removed within at<br>
most a week or so, if it is causing an obstruction. Otherwise the path<br>
may move around it, but it is too short term to map, and if the path is<br>
public then it is the responsibility of the local highway authority to<br>
keep the path clear. Time will vary, especially after a big storm, but<br>
in general its temporary and a phone call is better than mapping.<br>
<br>
Vegetation is seasonal, long grass will be gone by Autumn/Fall. If its<br>
causing a real obstruction then report it. And carry some secateurs, so<br>
you can trim it back a bit.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> Perhaps you will have a joy when you see that isn't the obstacle<br>
> there ... conversely (if you unknown the difficulty) you could have a<br>
> problem when you find this (also is problematic find a shop with<br>
> OsmAnd -for example- and when you arrive, see that already it doesn't<br>
> exist)<br>
<br>
</div>Or we may deter someone from walking a perfectly clear path.<br>
<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
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> 2012/10/8 Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>><br>
> Please set up a discussion page within the OSM wiki, it is not<br>
> acceptable to use google for such proposals. It excludes many<br>
> OSM contributors from commenting.<br>
><br>
><br>
> The proposal looks to me to be over complex and could deter<br>
> new mappers, difficulty is very subjective.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Other parts of the proposal are temporary, such as fallen<br>
> trees. These will be removed in time, and unless someone is<br>
> prepared to monitor the situation the map will become stale.<br>
> Mapping such things is as crazy as mapping road works. A road<br>
> example of this, I found last week. A bridge was closed for<br>
> repairs, until further notice, 2 years ago. The repairs took a<br>
> few weeks, but the closure was still there on OSM 2 years<br>
> later.<br>
><br>
> Again long grass, or crops are temporary. What is difficult in<br>
> August will be gone by October. Again underfoot conditions are<br>
> seasonal and relevant on the weather.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
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> On 08/10/2012 14:44 Konfrare Albert wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> This is the page of the proposal:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Difficult_Passability" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Difficult_Passability</a><br>
><br>
> I'm not sure that this key could be the perfect solution for<br>
> my proposal, but I'm very interested in the comments and<br>
> discussion, and I desire that if is rejected perhaps this<br>
> proposal helps somebody to find a best solution.<br>
><br>
> Sorry for my bad english, I hope you can understand me.<br>
><br>
> Thanks a lot!<br>
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