Is this information something that should be placed in a geodatabase like OSM?<br><br>Or would this be better integrated into a separate school database. Maybe OpenSchoolDirectory? In that kind of database, you can include lots of information such as who is the principal, who operates the school, if the school is a public school or a private school, if it is sectarian or not, what the school's population is (and broken down per level), the number of classrooms for the school, etc.<br>
<br>Let OSM handle the geodata aspects of the schools (location, address, etc.) and leave it to other (hopefully open) databases to take care of those information.<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Svavar Kjarrval <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svavar@kjarrval.is" target="_blank">svavar@kjarrval.is</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Hi.<br>
<br>
Like I stated in the proposal, it varies a lot between countries. I
agree that there are different systems determining when children get
into schools and here in Iceland it's defined as a year group.
However, some countries have cut off dates which don't comply with
the almanac year so it's not always Jan 1st to Dec 31st. That could
be defined in another tag to make the information more granular.
Without such a tag, one can at least know that the school educates
children who become X old that year.<br>
<br>
Regarding cases where the prefixed parts kind of answer the
question, that's not always the case. Here in Iceland, we're lucky
that the Ministry of Education keeps a list of all elementary
schools (they're 175) and on said list there's only a handful of
them which have any indication that they're elementary schools. This
will most likely apply in other countries as well. Also, if such a
data processing would cover the planet, it would be very
time-consuming to derive such information in all the languages by
hand, so said person would only want to cover areas with school
names in a language he/she knows and if he/she has time to research
the school system in each area to make such deductions. With this
tag, the work is already done.<br>
<br>
Example case:<br>
When my neighbourhood was under construction, the elementary school
there only served students for the first four years (of the
mandatory 10) in the year 2005. In the year 2006 it increased to the
first 7 years, in 2008 the first 9 years and finally included the
10th year in 2009. Even if the name had an indication that it was an
elementary school, any deductions made from the age/year groups from
reading the name would've been wrong. Also, that same elementary is
also a kindergarten which makes it a bit harder to define from the
name alone. So an age group, in that case, wouldn't have been such a
bad idea. If OSM had progressed in 2005 as it has now, it would've
been useful for many purposes to know that it didn't serve all 10
years of elementary school teaching.<br>
<br>
After this proposal has been voted on, I intend to introduce a
proposal to define school areas. Age groups can play a huge role,
especially in the example case above, where children in certain
school years were sent to a school in another neighbourhood. So the
same neighbourhood was in the area of two schools, each educating
children of different school years. Without this tag in the example
case above, well, we'd be boned.<br>
<br>
If anybody skips a year or repeats one, that's of course an
exception this tag can't remedy.<br>
<br>
I agree about the factoid you mentioned shouldn't be in the wiki
page for the tag, should it be accepted. These were just examples of
uses so you'd get the gist of what the data could be used for. It
was not intended as ultimate or the best examples of use. I'll find
a more general case before requesting a vote on the proposal.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
- Svavar</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div>On 25/11/12 21:07, Steve Bennett wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>
With the exception of pre-schools, aren't most schools defined
by the year group, rather than age? Around a here, a primary
school is Prep to Grade 6, and high school is Year 7 to Year 12.
The actual ranges of kids varies a bit - some skip years, some
repeat. I can't see much use for coding an "age group".<br>
<br>
To be honest, I'm not sure I even see the value in coding year
groups - what does "year_group=7-12" tell you that "Blah Blah High
School" doesn't? The use case of a parent choosing where to send
their kids is such a rare one, and involves so much other research
that I don't think having that factoid in OSM achieves much.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:08 AM,
Svavar Kjarrval <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svavar@kjarrval.is" target="_blank">svavar@kjarrval.is</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi.<br>
<br>
The RFC process has started for my proposal to tag the age
groups schools offer education for. More information is on
the wiki page.<br>
<br>
The proposal is at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/age_group" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/age_group</a>
.<br>
<br>
With regards,<br>
Svavar Kjarrval<br>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Tagging mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
Tagging mailing list
<a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Tagging mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>