<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/3 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div id=":4x" style="overflow:hidden">Better be explicit and use<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div id=":4x" style="overflow:hidden">oven=yes for all 'warme bakkers' where the bread is baked on the spot.<br>oven=no if the bread is transported in from somewhere else.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>currently the oven tag is used also to convey further detail (oven=wood_fired) this could be extended to tag also oven=electrical instead of a simple "yes" (if known). Wood_fired ovens are a typical "ingredient" for higher quality pizza but also bread.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=":4x" style="overflow:hidden">And here in Belgium we also distinguish bakery/pastry. Usually bakers do both. Confectionery is something totally different. We also have shops specialised in chocolate confectionery ('pralines' in French/Dutch)</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>yes, the same here in Italy. Probably in all or most European countries this is a common distinction and yes, bakeries often offer also pastry (but usually the less complicated ones). Confectionery is more rare here, but it does exist and is quite different from pastry producing businesses (it:"pasticceria") as the confectionery products don't contain flour. </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Another edge case might be "it:gelateria", which is ice cream makers (artisanal producers, ice cream made in the shop), which often also offer pastry containing ice_cream fillings, semi-freddo ("half-frozen"), etc.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>cheers,</div><div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br><br></div></div>