<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/25 martinq <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm-martinq@fantasymail.de" target="_blank">osm-martinq@fantasymail.de</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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There is no (common) restriction that limits the actual weight of<br>
truck+trailer, thus it makes no sense to define maxweight as limit for<br>
the complete train.<br>
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this one is for gross weight of vehicles _including_ trailers:<br>
<a href="http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_253.svg" target="_blank">http://commons.m.wikimedia.<u></u>org/wiki/File:Zeichen_253.svg</a><br>
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Yes, see second part of my posting you responded to.<br>
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But the example does not support your original idea of defining maxweight (=*actual weight* restriction) for complete trains instead of vehicles. It only supports it for gross_weight, but this was already pointed out by me.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>I think there is a misconception, as far as I am aware of we don't need to take trailers into account when we speak about maxweight, we only need them when it comes to gross_weight (or in other words: are there legislations where you would be interested in trailers for maxweight? Maybe Peter who brought this in can explain better what he had in mind).</div>
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To focus back on the original topic:<br>
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What is your conclusion regarding the proposal and the tagging of these restrictions?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>IMHO we are fine with gross_weight or something similar, defined according to the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, which by the way is signed by a whole lot of countries from all the world, but misses signature (IIRR) from the USA and China (so they might have different tagging requirements)</div>
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The crucial part is to keep tagging simple. We cannot expect that everyone knows the subtle legal differences (I didn't know them until I have done my own investigation). A trade-off between pure road-sign tagging (which makes interpretation difficult) and the meaning (which is complex due to vehicle, trailers, weight types, etc) is required.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>I think the difference between actual weight and gross weight is not too subtle and can tagged by everyone according to the sign --- and if you own a trailer you should be aware of the restrictions that apply, but you don't necessarily have to know these in order to put a tag "gross_weight" or conditional hgv @ gross_weight etc.<br>
</div><div style><br></div><div style>cheers,</div><div style>Martin</div></div>
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