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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013-07-25 10:54, Martin
Koppenhoefer wrote :<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/25 Peter Wendorff <span
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<div class="im">> on a side note some of the values
above like swimming are currently under the sport key,
not leisure.<br>
> Typical values for leisure are pitch, track,
stadium, marina, playground, park, garden...<br>
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well, a pool that allows swimming, but is not useful for
competitive<br>
swimming I would count as sports IMHO would better be
leisure=swimming<br>
than sport=swimming, but I may be wrong here.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra" style="">I'm opposing leisure=swimming
as it doesn't fit (IMHO) into the common logics of the leisure
key. Swimming is an activity while leisure usually describes
an object (be it physical like pitch or formal/legal like a
nature reserve). IMHO it would always be leisure=swimming_pool
and you can put the actions for which it is suitable into the
sport key (or another key if you don't like the sport
semantics in some cases), e.g. sport=competitive_diving (or
diving), swimming. If you are to map a small children's pool
you might use either another "sport" like feet_dipping ;-) or
another value for leisure (e.g. leisure=splasher_pool instead
of swimming_pool) (personally I'd prefer another value for
leisure, i.e. the latter).</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra" style="">cheers,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra" style="">Martin</div>
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I'm glad that you come back to the heart of the matter which is to
know whether a key describes an object or an attribute of an object
and that the keys definitions in the wiki should indicate that, so
that everyone agree and make a consistent database.<br>
And we disagree indeed regarding leisure being an object. IMHO,
there is no such object as "a leisure". In my example, we have an
object "water=" that is used <b>for</b> "leisure=", which is an
attribute of the water. And the type of leisure is further
described with fishing. Which of these two forms depends on our
decision that an object can be used for one or several types of
leisures:<br>
<tt>water=basin leisure=fishing or leisure=yes fishing=yes in my
case</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>water=pool leisure=swimming or leisure-yes swimming=yes
in your case</tt><tt><br>
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Now, regarding the fact that fishing= may mean several things,
indeed and why not. Fishing may be an attribute applying to leisure
or one to a shop that's selling fishing material. It's up to the
wiki to possibly make a list of the allowed attributes for an object
or an attribute.<br>
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And now, regarding my practical issue:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Tag en conflit<br>
Conflit entre les tags natural, leisure<br>
way 180545448 rawedit josm<br>
water = pond<br>
natural = water<br>
name = Pêcherie du Tultay<br>
leisure = fishing<br>
Erreur reportée le : 2013-07-23 <br>
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In my mind, the object is "water=basin", and, although it's not
natural, Osmose insists on calling it a natural, "natural=water"
with an attribute I can find no better than "water=pond".<br>
Then, like you, Osmose comes to say that the object is in fact a
leisure: "leisure=fishing".<br>
And that, as quite rightly two objects exclude one another, leisure
excludes water.<br>
How then can we know in what we are fishing: a pond or a river?<br>
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Can we make a practical decision, to write in the wiki so that I and
Osmose can apply it?<br>
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My 2 €¢ are that it should resemble this:<br>
water=basin<br>
natural=no<br>
leisure=yes (industrial=no)<br>
fishing=yes<br>
pay=yes<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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