<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra">The wiki pages for bookmaker, betting, and fishmonger have been added by me. After adding a couple of such pages, I realized writing proper documentation is harder than it seems (i definitely agree with the criticism about these pages), so that's why I decided to start a broader discussion on this list, before continue working on the documentation. I will adapt the pages again after this discussion has resulted in some outcomes.<br>
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In British English seafood generally refers to shellfish. So a seafood<br>
shop will be a shop, usually at the seaside, where you buy prawns,<br>
mussels, cockles and things that are ready to eat, with vinegar, as you<br>
walk along the front. To tag this a fishmonger would be misleading.<br>
</div></blockquote></div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">What you write makes sense, but the problem is that who wrote the wiki for these shops didn't know about these distinctions, see here<br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dseafood" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dseafood</a> a fishmonger is explicitly given as synonym (and btw. it was Harry Wood adding this synonym, AFAIK a British fellow)<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfishmonger" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfishmonger</a> shellfish seems to be included in the definition and seafood is given as synonym. But this page was created just 4 days ago.<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In creating shop=fishmonger, I followed the accepted proposal ( <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop</a> ), and actual use (from the names of the shops tagged with seafood, one can deduce that seafood is also used for shops selling sweet water fish). But I agree that I should perhaps not have used the term 'Discouraged' only because of the outcome of a vote.<br>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra">Also your definitions for bookmaker and betting are appealing (me is neither an expert in this kind of business), and again the definition for betting like that for betting is 5 days old: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbetting&action=history" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbetting&action=history</a> and <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbookmaker&action=history" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbookmaker&action=history</a> and were written by the same person and contain the same text.<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div>There has not been voted about these proposals, so in documenting I could only follow actual use. Both betting and bookmaker seem to be used for the same kind of shops:<br>
<a href="http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bshop=bookmaker%5D" target="_blank">jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*[shop=bookmaker]</a><br><a href="http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bshop=bookmaker%5D" target="_blank">jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*[shop=betting]</a><br>
</div></div>In particular, the major chains Ladbrokes, Coral and William Hill seem to be tagged both ways. I believe that documenting both tags is better than document no tag at all. Moreover, I believe that I have made clear in both pages that the difference between both type of shops is not clear. I understand that Philip sees the two shops as different, and I would welcome a proposal along that line, but for the moment, it seems that taggers are not using such a distinction.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-- Matthijs<br></div></div>