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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am 08.10.2013 20:16, schrieb Volker Schmidt:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no<br>is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech<br>Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would<br>make things easier for people editing OSM. Consider this:<br><a href="http://img.ct24.cz/cache/900x700/article/20/1936/193540.jpg" target="_blank">http://img.ct24.cz/cache/900x700/article/20/1936/193540.jpg</a><br><a href="http://img.ct24.cz/multimedia/videos/image/646/medium/193542.jpg" target="_blank">http://img.ct24.cz/multimedia/videos/image/646/medium/193542.jpg</a><br>(and don't ask me what idiot proposed a cycleway like this).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is the standard way of doing things here in Italy as well. At every "end of cycleway" sign you are legally supposed to dismount and cross the lateral road as pedestrian<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>well, as it is also signed as the end of the legal footway/sidewalk - in my opinion it is no need for a _dismount_ there.<br>In my opinion it is just a legal backdoor, that on these driveways (or serviceways?) you leave the legal cycleway/footway (with the regarding legal rights above the otherwise crossing traffic) and have to obey the crossing traffic for your own risk - even as walker, but also as cyclist<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nobody actually dismounts in practice, but you’re not legally allowed to use a normal pedestrian crossing (zebra) on your bike in the Czech Republic and should push. We also have a special zebra for bicycle crossing, but in that case the “end of cycleway” sign is not used. I’ve posted the most blatant examples of idiotic cycleways.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Petr<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>