<div dir="ltr"><div><div>It might be good to see if any of these ideas are in use, despite lack of documentation. <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse</a><br>
<br>A couple potentially useful tags I noticed scanning through the list of landuse=* values were <br>1) landuse=religious has 1100 uses<br>2) landuse=school and landuse=education both have hundreds of uses--might be good to recommend one or the other?<br>
</div><div>3) landuse=leisure is used more often than landuse=recreation right now (477 v. 62)<br></div><div>4) interestingly, landuse=institution is not used at all, but landuse=institutional a bit (68 uses)<br></div><div>
<br>Among the other landuse=* values, there might be some ideas to pick up on, or others which we'd like to avoid.<br></div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div>Brad<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:38 AM, johnw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnw@mac.com" target="_blank">johnw@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div class=""><div>On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-16 23:11 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" target="_blank">seav80@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'd like to clarify what I said before that landuse=civic_admin would be useful. It would be useful for tagging the only the compounds where government offices are located (townhall, courthouse, etc.). I am not suggesting that schools and hospitals would use the same landuse=civic_admin tag.</blockquote>
</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">+1, I agree that we COULD have some new landuse values, there is a lot of stuff that isn't yet covered by</div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">the well introduced landuses, including:<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This is a great post of yours. It really got me thinking about solving this, and this civic_admin stuff. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Just thinking while typing here. in hindsight, landuse=institution is really useful with a subtag after typing all this. </div><div><br></div><div>About half of these tags can be covered with landuse=institution. </div>
<div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
churches and other religion related areas<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>landuse=institution + institution= religion (or straight landuse=religion)</div><div><br></div><div> there are a lot of religious areas in Japan that have a really big area with a lot of little, unnamed buildings, gardens, event areas, and other stuff to go with the main shrines. Moreover, the shrines themselves have separate names - but the complex has it's own big famous name as well (Ex: Asakusa in Tokyo) - so a separate landuse for religion is a great tag. Also: we need to update the icons for the religions in -carto as well (there is no Japanese buddhist symbol, for example, and the shinto one is overly detailed compared to the others). </div>
<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">theatres and cinemas,</div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"> restaurants and nightclubs</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>landuse=retail amenity=restaurant/cinema/discotek (sp) *or* landuse=entertainment + entertainment=[type].</div><div><br></div><div>also mixes into institution=arts_centre. To me the line is live people performance and commerical art (cinema) is in entertainment, and exibition of cultural art (art gallery/ museum) is in institution, but I dunno. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This overlaps into a lot of different tagging systems. Hopefully subtags can unify it without the need for retagging. This is a messy problem.</div><div class=""><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">mixed use (like you'll find for instance in the centre of the typical european city)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Shops downstairs, residential upstairs, right?</div>
<div><br></div>landuse=urban_mixed_use (as opposed to a mixed use business park [retail+commercial])<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
</div><div class="gmail_extra">courthouses<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Jails & Prisons too? landuse=institution + institution=judicial The police side is mentioned below.</div><div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">parliaments and city counsels (and the levels in between) as well as supranational "decision making"</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Landuse=institution + institution=civic_assembly</div>
<div><br></div><div> it could cover everything from a city council to the UN building.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"> institutions</div></div></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">museums</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Landuse=institution + institution=museum / gallery / arts_centre *or* tourism=museum or proposed =art gallery / amenity=arts_centre ... </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
hospitals and clinics<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>landuse=institution + institution=medical (or, of course Landuse=medical), as opposed to hospital. would cover chiropractic clinics, pharmacies, dentists, orthodontists, maybe even veterinary. existing amenity= or shop= would would work fine, or use medical= subtag. using the institution here here seems weak though.</div>
<div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">public administration (with and without public access)<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>landuse=institution + institution=civic_office </div>
<div><br></div><div>this would solve all my "civic_admin" troubles. could cover the white house down to townhalls and all the depts in between.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's brother would be landuse=institution institution=civic_service(s)?+ existing amenity of choice,</div>
<div><br></div><div>public services like police, fire, plow stations, (ambulance 'station' too?) border patrol, immigration, park ranger stations, customs areas, the fruit and vegetable check areas on the highways between states (in the US), Some of these are privately operated, but it is "for the public good." </div>
<div class=""><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">universities and schools and colleges<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>landuse=institution + institution=education (or straight Landuse=education). covers just about everything, from a preschool to driving school to flight school to Jukus (private tutoring schools - "cram schools" like kumon or EFL schools) - where we really wouldn't want it tagged as amenity=school (I don't think). education=[type] also a possibility. amenity=school, to me, always is k-12. College or university is higher ed, the remainder could fall into this tag. </div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">hotels etc.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>landuse=hospitality + hospitality=[type] or the amenity=[type], like beach_resort (or the missing ski_resort) this could cover anything from a hostel or motel to casino or disneyland's hotel area ringing the parks.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There is a lot of hospitality things that are covered, but a few glaring omissions exist in amenity, like how to tag a skiing park - there is nothing to denote the actual landuse of the ski resort area (like there would be for a zoo, theme park, or other tourist attraction).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hospitality is the official name for the industry of hotels and such, so it seems a good fit. </div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
</div><div class="gmail_extra">sports related areas</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>landuse=recreation?</div><div><br></div><div> does this mean stadiums for professional exhibition, or like a sports_centre or a skateboard park?</div>
<div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">water supply and waste water treatment<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>landuse=water_management. a tag for the off limits land around reservoirs? Where would "works" fall into this? or would it fall under utilities? (power / water / telephone / internet / garbage ) This is also a fuzzy idea. </div>
<div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">electricity production and distribution<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
gas ...<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Landuse=energy (or power?) and can tie into the power=tag for all the myriad of power things. They have really developed the power tag to cover many different things. May interfere with power=substation. </div>
<div class=""><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">...<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">until now, most of these simply got their specific tag to say what they are without any landuse. We will have to decide if this is sufficient or if and for what we'd like to have additional landuse values.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>I like the idea of broad landuses in conjunction with specific tags, either existing amenity tags or subtags for yet to be labeled things. </div><div><br></div><div>I think there is just a few broad landuse tags to add, and several subtag values to consider. </div>
<div><br></div><div>out of all these things, =institution, =hospitality, and =urban_mixed_use seem to be good landuse values. the others need some more hashing out. </div><div><br></div><div><div class=""><div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">What should IMHO not be done is define something with the word "administration" in it for stuff that isn't administration (courts, parliaments and counsels, senates, etc.).<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>I understand your concerns now. </div><div><br></div><div><div>Landuse=institution with a subtag for it's types is really flexible. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Javbw </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div>
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