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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-04-04 17:35, Pieren wrote :<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:naoliv@gmail.com"><naoliv@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lowflight66@googlemail.com"><lowflight66@googlemail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a
for validator checks in JOSM, as we have more than 100,000 ways with
this tag.
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<pre wrap="">Basically I agree with the current text of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit</a> (except that I don't
agree to use it on ways).
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As I understood, the "noexit=yes" means "this way is a cul-de-sac".
What is unclear if the tag is on the last node or on the way itself ?
It is still a cul-de-sac...</pre>
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As it has been said before I think, there is no need for a
cul-de-sac tag.<br>
A cul-de-sac is obvious either because the end of the way is a
cul-de-sac or because other tags make it one.<br>
At which end of the way would be a cul-de-sac if some tag were on a
way to indicated it?<br>
Or, maybe, we're inventing ways with a cul-de-sacs at both ends?<br>
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<pre wrap="">It seems that 40% of the "noexit=yes" tags are on ways and are
understandable by their contributors but 100% of the persons writing
on this thread do not understand what 40% of the contributors do ...
So, instead of trying to change 40% of the contributors with wiki
fiddling and josm obscure validations, you should try to open a bit
your mind and accept that contributors can supply the same information
in different ways (or nodes ;-). Stay open like "Open"StreetMap ;-)
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It's not a question of understanding what contributors do, it's a
question of the contributors understanding what the wiki says,
clearly: "This tag is mainly useful where a road or path ends close
to another way but where it isn't possible to get through due to a
barrier or other obstruction which may otherwise look like a mistake
for a connection to the nearby road. It helps other mappers and
quality-check programs to understand the situation correctly."<br>
What many contributors do is indicating obvious cul-de-sacs like
saying the tip of my finger is the end of it.<br>
Or should we complain that all cul-de-sacs are not tagged? There
are a great many !!!<br>
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Others make the mistake tagging a cul-de-sac traffic sign with
noexit.<br>
On one hand, this is obviously trying to tag the cul-de-sac where it
is not.<br>
On the other hand, such signs exist because the driver can't see the
blocked end of the road. That does not happen when one looks at a
map.<br>
That's another error that was spotted by a lynx-eyed contributor and
that I corrected in another part of the wiki.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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