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Hi André,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.06.2014 20:49, schrieb André
Pirard:<br>
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High,<br>
<br>
During the discussion of this tag, it was said that a sure culprit
for incorrect noexit=yes tags, is a misleading phrasing<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Use the noexit=yes tag at the end of a <tt
style="background-color:#dde; white-space:pre;" dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway"
title="Key:highway">highway</a>=*</tt> to indicate that
there is no possibility to travel further by any transport mode
along a formal path or route.</blockquote>
and that, this sentence being the first one, they read just that
and ignore the warnings and tag noexit=yes on any dead end as
said.<br>
<br>
Hence, it was decided to put the warnings first and to rewrite
that phrase in a more precise way:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Use the <tt style="background-color:#dde;
white-space:pre;" dir="ltr"><strong class="selflink">noexit</strong>=yes</tt>
tag on the node <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Elements#Node"
title="Node"><img alt="Node"
src="cid:part2.07050704.09020502@schaeferban.de"
srcset="/w/images/thumb/7/76/Osm_element_node.svg/30px-Osm_element_node.svg.png
1.5x,
/w/images/thumb/7/76/Osm_element_node.svg/40px-Osm_element_node.svg.png
2x" height="20" width="20"></a> at the end of a <tt
style="background-color:#dde; white-space:pre;" dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway"
title="Key:highway">highway</a>=*</tt> to indicate when
doubtful that the impossibility to travel further by any
transport mode is perfectly normal, due to otherwise existing
road layout. </blockquote>
<br>
Without any warning, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Floscher"
title="User:Floscher" class="mw-userlink">Floscher</a> put the
misleading sentence back to the beginning, duplicating the correct
version below.<br>
So, I removed that phrase to conform to the decision to explain
that tag correctly instead of misleadingly.<br>
</blockquote>
Sorry, I didn't realize that it's an ambiguously worded duplicate of
the usage-paragraph. My main intention was to remove the parts,
which said that noexit=yes should be used on ways (which were added
by you).<br>
I thought there was sort of a consensus that it should not be tagged
on ways, so I simply changed the page. I didn't want to start
another large discussion like in March/April on Talk-de and Tagging
(in which I both participated), because I think most of the points
were discussed extensively there.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:538B75CF.6060905@gmail.com" type="cite"> He
restored the icons that I had restored myself to "node only" but
that Pieren had set to "node+way".<br>
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Do you find that good or bad?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:538B75CF.6060905@gmail.com" type="cite"> He
also removed my sort of "acknowledgement" that noexit=yes is
effectively being tagged on ways and which was the right place to
say that it must <b>not</b> be done. I don't mind that removal at
all, but you should bulk erase the noexit=yes tags on ways and
explicitly say that they must not come back.<br>
When I see that first phrase, that the "When <b>not</b> to use" §
does not mention "on ways" but on waterways and railways and that
"Rendering" says "When tagged on a node..." I wonder if all those
gotchas are not made on purpose.<br>
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I can't find any sentence in your version, that is saying, that the
tagging on ways "must <b>not</b> be done". It just said, that
noexit=yes can be tagged on ways and/or on nodes.<br>
In my opinion the main purpose of the wiki is not to document
tagging trends, but best practices for tagging. I don't see the
necessity for adding a sentence stating that in the past it was used
on ways, but if you see this necessity, feel free to add such a
sentence.<br>
You are right, that the paragraph "When not to use" should mention
the ways. Thus I've changed the page again and added a sentence to
that paragraph, stating that usage on ways is discouraged.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:538B75CF.6060905@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
Well, I finally put this at the beginning:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Read important warnings first, then read
tag syntax in paragraph <b>Usage</b>.
<p>Do not use this tag on ways (only on nodes). </p>
</blockquote>
There's little excuses any more.<br>
</blockquote>
I've moved the second sentence to "When not to use", as you
suggested above.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:538B75CF.6060905@gmail.com" type="cite"> Last
thing: many people believe that road signs (and other funny
things) are used by router software (and this is not encouraging
at all to believe in OSM GPSes). They want to, and do, tag the
dead-end road sign whose icon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_357.svg"
class="image" title="German dead-end sign"><img alt="German
dead-end sign"
src="cid:part6.09040203.06060704@schaeferban.de"
srcset="/w/images/thumb/c/cd/Zeichen_357.svg/38px-Zeichen_357.svg.png
1.5x,
/w/images/thumb/c/cd/Zeichen_357.svg/50px-Zeichen_357.svg.png
2x" height="25" width="25"></a> is used by this page to render
the other road end. Expect that icon to pop up at both ends of the
ways for added fun one of these days ;-)<br>
</blockquote>
This is mentioned and discouraged in the opening text.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:538B75CF.6060905@gmail.com" type="cite"> See
you at the next noexit=yes on ways discussion.<br>
</blockquote>
See you,<br>
Florian
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