<p dir="ltr">I don't think religious_symbol=* would be the best option for wayside cross.<br>
Here in Brazil, they often are found in curves that had automotive accidents in the past, and could indeed be said to be an historic feature, so I think this tag is good enough as it is.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Like Volker said, the tag for wayside shrine really is religion neutral, but I can understand the confusion looking at it's wiki page.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 13/06/2014 04:45, "Volker Schmidt" <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>Hey guys - I had a question about tagging "wayside shrines." The wiki posits that they are Christian, but I want to use them for another religion. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The wiki does not posit that they are Christian, on the contrary:<br>
</div><div>There is a subtag religion and the text says: "Frequently found along the way in Germany, Austria, Italy and probably elsewhere" and refers to the Wikipedia article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine</a> where the second picture is a shrine in Tokyo.<br>
</div><div>But I don't like the "historic=" tag, because in other contexts it referes to he past use of a building or other object, whereas many wayside_shrines are recent and still in use.<br></div><div><br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>This led me to think about other religion-neutral tags main tags, and using a subtag for the object.<div>
<br></div><div>here in Japan, there are probably tens of thousands of reeeaally small (Shinto) shrines and (occasionally Buddhist) temples. They are usually along roads, but sometimes hiking trails as well. The shinto ones are usually for natural beauty - this one is probably for this waterfall, though I could be mistaken. This one is 2mx2m. if you open it, there is just stuff inside, there isn't room for a person. This one is also fairly elaborate, with a gate, bridge and stairway, but others are just a small shed (sometimes less than 1m sq) and disused. If it wasn't religious, I'd tag most of them as a simple shed. They get placed all over, but here in rural Japan I find them on mountainsides, hilltops, and near bridges and lakes. In theory, besides the buddhist statuses and shinto gates, there are also really really tiny shines, about the size of a large trash can as well, but right now I'm just talking of something similar to what is in the picture. </div>
</div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>To me, this is also a "wayside shrine." Am I right?</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>I would use historic=wayside_shrine for the small shrines, whereas place of worship for the bigger ones. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>Man_made=cross or historic=wayside_cross similarly is geared for Christian religion, </div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>This is clearly not religion-neutral and I would like to see some neutral tags for these objects<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>but there are millions upon millions of Shinto Gates and small figures of Buddha (ones you wouldn't think of as "statues", like the big copper buddha at Kamakura) - but the existing tags are not religious-neutral and paired with the religion tag or a subtag to handle these; ie manmade=ReligiousSymbol, religiousSymbol= Wayside Cross, Shinto Gate, Buddha Statue, Spaghetti Meatball, etc....</div>
<div><br></div><div>I know that There must be many other symbols in other religions used regionally that I don't know of, so having an expanding sub-tag is better than filling up historic=, building=, and manmade= with more and more narrow tags as OSM gets more detail added from non-christian areas.</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with this proposal. <br><br></div><div>It would also eliminate the doubts which I always have when entering a brand-new "historic=wayside_shrine" or wayside_cross <br>
<br></div><div>Volker<br><br></div><div>Padova, Italy<br></div></div></div></div>
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