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<p class="">Hey folks,</p>
<p class="">first of all thanks for your replies.</p>
<p class="">I really want to establish a new tag for fieldborders. I would suggest landuse=fieldmargin. Most of times they are managed so the landuse key would be the best choice.</p>
<p class="">There should also be a way to describe the type of fieldmargin (e. g. scrubs, trees,..). I found different ways to do that. I visualized it here for some examples: <span class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/b/b4/Fieldmargins.png">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/b/b4/Fieldmargins.png</a></span></p>
<p class="">- First of all I described the current way to tag fieldmargins. <br>- Option 1 uses the same tags as currently used but adds an additional landuse=fieldmargin (less inversive). <br>- Option 2 uses the landuse=fieldmargin tag and uses the landcover tag if possible otherwise the current used tag (see image to understand ;) ). <br>
- Option 3 (my preferred) uses landuse=fieldmargin and a new key named margin to specify the type of fieldmargin (e.g. fieldmargin=trees).</p>
<p class="">I prefer Option 3 because all types of fieldmargins a described with the same key therefore they easily can be combined (if the fieldmargin is grown by different types, e.g. fieldmargin=trees;bank. Furthermore it prevents of a wrong usage of other keys (e.g. a wall is not a barrier in case of a fieldmargin).</p>
<p class="">What do you think about theses options? Are you interested in creating a feature request? Please let me know.</p>
<p class="">Greetings<br>Simon/descilla</p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-15 15:44 GMT+02:00 fly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lowflight66@googlemail.com" target="_blank">lowflight66@googlemail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey list<br>
<br>
Am 14.06.2014 09:01, schrieb Dudley Ibbett:<br>
<div class="">> In the UK what you describe sounds like a “field margin”.<br>
><br>
> Here is an example web page, but search on google under “field<br>
> margins”<br>
> for more information.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/wildlife/habitats/arable-field-margins" target="_blank">http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/wildlife/habitats/arable-field-margins</a><br>
><br>
> Farmers generally cultivate up to the field boundaries in the UK but<br>
> there have been schemes to encourage them to leave “field margins” to<br>
> support wildlife.<br>
<br>
</div>Think we first have to get the tagging of landuse in general more<br>
consistent. In my region I still find it connected with highways. One<br>
user even did start to tag landuse as multipolygon-relations using the<br>
highways and therefor did split the highways in lots of short parts.<br>
<br>
As landcover=* is not rendered nor supported by many software, people<br>
use landuse=grass or even natural=grassland for small stripes of grass<br>
next to the road.<br>
<br>
The major question we have to solve is where does landuse end.<br>
* we do not have a tag for landuse=highway/road. Where does the highway<br>
end ?<br>
* where does landuse=farmland end ? In my opinion the field margin is<br>
still part of the farmland<br>
* how to handle tracks between fields ? There are some tracks which move<br>
from year to year<br>
<br>
All together I think the field margin can be tagged already using<br>
landcover=*, but if you want to tag it explicit you could think about a<br>
complete new tag like field_margin=yes or farmland=field_margin.<br>
<br>
Just my two cents<br>
<br>
fly<br>
<br>
> Am 13.06.2014 14:35, schrieb Simone Saviolo:<br>
<div class="">>> 2014-06-13 14:15 GMT+02:00 Simon Wüllhorst <<a href="mailto:mail@simon-wuellhorst.de">mail@simon-wuellhorst.de</a><br>
>><br>
</div><div class="">>> currently I’m tagging the country around my place (farmland,<br>
>> farmyards, meadow and so on). Farmlands are typically surrounded<br>
>> or seperated by small areas/borders of several vegetations (trees<br>
>> bushes, at least in Germany), called Field Borders (or Feldrain<br>
>> in German, more Informations: <a href="http://extension.missouri.edu/p/g9421or" target="_blank">http://extension.missouri.edu/p/g9421or</a><br>
>> <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldrain" target="_blank">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldrain</a>). They are important for<br>
>> farmers (to improve crops growth) and they also useful for a<br>
>> better orientation and navigation in this country.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
</div>>> I started a thread on <a href="http://forum.osm.org" target="_blank">forum.osm.org</a> <<a href="http://forum.osm.org" target="_blank">http://forum.osm.org</a>> (It’s<br>
<div class="">>> a german thread, so if you have questions, please ask me) to get<br>
>> tips for the correct/ideal tagging of these areas<br>
>> (important:it’s an area, not a way!).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In summary I got a lot of suggestions, for example natural=scrub<br>
>> or natural=wood, ….<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The problem of all these suggestions were, they all describe the<br>
>> type of vegetation and not the purpose of these areas. Besides >><br>
the vegetation of these areas are much various, so you can’t<br>
>> describe them by using one or two “vegetation”-tags.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> According to the post of “dieterdreist”<br>
>> (<a href="http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=422045#p422045" target="_blank">http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=422045#p422045</a>) I<br>
>> thought about to create/use a completely new tag/value.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> At this point I’m not shure which key would be correct. I’m<br>
>> thinking about natural=fieldborder or landuse=fieldborder. On<br>
>> the one landuse=fieldborder seems to be the better choise,<br>
>> because field<br>
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