<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I agree with Pieren, and would like to add that relations like these are a problem when you try to download a small bounding box, and one of those nodes gets in the way, and now you have to download all the nodes in that relation. There's no need for that.<br>
<br></div>But there is one advantage with those relations, and that is protection against newbies. Newbies can delete a tag from a node because of some their strange reason, but they don't know how to remove a node from a relation. There should be tools that mimic that.<br>
<br></div>Janko<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-16 10:36 GMT+02:00 Pieren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pieren3@gmail.com" target="_blank">pieren3@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> The same is true for cycling and equestrian networks with numbered nodes.<br>
> There are a few of those networks in Germany as well.<br>
> These are not collections/categories. They are networks of route relations.<br>
<br>
</div>Well, you could do the same for all McDonald's restaurants in<br>
Netherlands or all pharmacies in a network or bank branches in Belgium<br>
and say "we move one tag to the upper relation to avoid its<br>
repetition". What is done by such relations can be done by a query in<br>
the database with one or two arguments (like the "operator" or<br>
"network" tag) and a bbox (see XAPI, overpass, etc for more info).<br>
Repeating the network or operator or brand name is not a problem for<br>
many features in OSM. I don't see why we should create an exception<br>
for footway routes.<br>
As it was writen by Frederik Ramm in 2008 ([1]):<br>
"Our database is a spatial database; this means that it has intrinsic<br>
knowledge about the location of objects. If you want to know about all<br>
footways in East Anglia, simply pass in a bounding box of East Anglia<br>
and request all footways, and the collection is made for you<br>
on-the-fly."<br>
<br>
Pieren<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories&oldid=179750" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories&oldid=179750</a><br>
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