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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-06-09 12:03, Martin
Koppenhoefer wrote :<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-09 8:31 GMT+02:00 André
Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">And that maxspeed
thing is the strangest one ever.<br>
source=* almost says that <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
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href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
title="Key:source:maxspeed" target="_blank">source:maxspeed</a>=*</tt>
is an admitted mistake but that you are not compelled to
make the mistake and that you are allowed to correctly
use <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type"
title="Key:maxspeed:type" target="_blank">maxspeed:type</a>=*</tt>.
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<div>Actually the "source:maxspeed" tag was discussed years
ago (2009 IIRR) on this list and by the time approved. The
idea to use maxspeed:type instead is very new compared to
this, and there wasn't any actual proposal to see whether
this was backed by the community, rather then what appears
to be a national initiative of some folk in the british
comunity in order to make up something different to how it
is done elsewhere: <br>
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href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed%3Atype#map">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed%3Atype#map</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source:maxspeed#map">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source:maxspeed#map</a><br>
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Thanks for this piece of history and survey, Martin.<br>
But my point is not liking but just being logical.<br>
I find it very strange to say: use <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
title="Key:source:maxspeed" target="_blank">source:maxspeed</a>=*</tt>
for type, but if you need to use source as source, use <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type"
title="Key:maxspeed:type" target="_blank">maxspeed:type</a>=*</tt>.
Especially if you deal with someone else's tags and you must
transfer their <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
title="Key:source:maxspeed" target="_blank">source:maxspeed</a>=*</tt>
to <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type"
title="Key:maxspeed:type" target="_blank">maxspeed:type</a>=*</tt>.
before adding your own <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
title="Key:source:maxspeed" target="_blank">source:maxspeed</a>=*
!!!</tt><br>
And, further more, that this explanation is mentioned only for
source=* and not for maxspeed=*, and that national instructions and
presets reflect only the latter, totally missing the point and
aggravating the situation.<br>
Is it too simple to simply use <tt
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type"
title="Key:maxspeed:type" target="_blank">maxspeed:type</a>=*?</tt>
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Yes, I know, I'm not fuzzy enough ;-)<br>
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<div>If there was a proposal and a discussion whether to use
maxspeed:type rather then wiki fiddling, I guess we could
still change the key name / tagging scheme, given that
there would sufficient support by the comunity which also
implies that there would be some net benefit from
changing.<br>
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<div>On the (connected) question of tagging sources on
single objects or to a changeset we appearantly can't find
consensus, at least it wasn't possible in the past years.
A lot of mappers are insisting on this way of tagging even
if the associated problems cannot be solved (mainly how to
deal with these tags when you perform modifications on an
object).<br>
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I have just mapped a bus line. While doing it, I made dozens of
corrections because, pardon me, OSM needs them badly (access=yes,
bicycle=yes, foot=yes, motor-vehicle=yes, repeated JOSM
congratulations etc.).<br>
Who does seriously think that a mapper will purge his bus changes in
order to make other changes without mixing sources? I even had
compelling reasons to make a global update (saving to OSM local
file).<br>
The changeset source idea comes from bulk importers for which it's
all-right. <br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> And as we are #2
when generalizing <span
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
title="Key:source:maxspeed" target="_blank">source:maxspeed</a>=survey</span>
we are making using <span
style="background-color:rgb(221,221,238);white-space:pre-wrap"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type"
title="Key:maxspeed:type" target="_blank">maxspeed:type</a>=*</span>
mandatory.<br>
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<div>we won't probably make anything "mandatory".<br>
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Best is to use OSM consequently, each our own way, as our
reputation.<br>
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