<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-25 3:33 GMT+02:00 johnw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnw@mac.com" target="_blank">johnw@mac.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>But for a majority of the buildings I'm mapping here in rural/"suburban" Japan, there isn't as much mixed use or repurposed use as you would imagine - most homes are purpose-built 2 story, single family detached homes with a wall around them. It is very easy to designate their use. </div>
</blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>yes, this is simple. You draw one, tag it and copy paste to bigger configurations and then cp all over the place ;-)<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>There's copy-paste in iD now?! ^_^<div><br></div><div>For that reason alone, I tried potlatch, and looked into JOSM. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>..., a cemetery, a buddhist temple, a 7-11, and ~10 detached homes. this is all within around 300m of my house in "rural" Japan. but every one of those has an easily defined border associated with the buildings - and an easily understood landuse tag to go with them. </div>
</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>500m away is an elementary school, with no landuse value. it depends on amenity=school for **some unknown reason** to define it's landuse. Until recently, the temple also had no landuse value to define the area the temple grounds occupy, but now landuse=religious exists.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Maybe those landuse values haven't been proposed so far because the main mapnik map didn't "need" them, the style painted these amenity areas already ;-)<br>
e.g. amenity=school/university implies landuse=education. In case of religious things you will also have a "religion" attribute. You could of course add additional landuse tags, but how would that bring a benefit?<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it would bring a little standardization to the landuse, and hopefully make mapping areas for the buildings more accessible. People are mad-tracing huge swaths of buildings in Tokyo now, and they are not mapping any non-building areas whatsoever, besides a crude outline of a park or two. </div><div><br></div><div>Anything that can standardize the mapping of areas and make the gagging process more transparent is a good thing. </div><div><br></div><div>Choose the landuse, choose the building & sub-tag, and map the amenities in the the landuse. For every single building, no matter the type. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
The civic landuse sounds more interesting, because the list of possible building types and users can be quite long and there is no religion-like common attribute (or is it?).</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think in the short term, landuse=civic does give the greatest benefit - because paired with a civic= sub tag, it can help define a myriad of governmentish buildings and services that are beyond the scope of city halls and community centers. In my experience, people look at governmental facilities much different that a standard office - just like a school or hospital - and marking the landuse would be the first step in having their area render differently, like we color the other major landuses. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But I wanted to explain my thinking about why I wanted the other land uses- Make some documented consistency. </div><div><br></div><div>As OSM's tagging scheme becomes more complex, consistency will be the biggest battle, as to encourage noobs (like me) and (maybe?) make the dataset and rendering better too. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the input. </div><div><br></div><div>And, um... How do I go about submitting landuse= civic? I guess I'll hit the wiki again.</div><div><br></div><div>Javbw</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
Cheers,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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