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<p>Exactly my point. In the UK you can be objective by linking it to the presence of the sign, other countries may not use a sign. Having established that such information ("this bridge requires you to slow down to avoid being launched") may be useful in certain cases, now we are trying to represent that information in OSM. The reasonable_max_speed would be a start, but if it is accompanied by some indication of WHY the speed is what it is, like "reasonable_max_speed:reason=hump_bridge", then everybody could be happy. OSM is essentially a 2D system. Whereas hazards like sharp bends can possibly be derived from 2D information, anything significant in the vertical plane needs all the help it can get, including hump bridges and steep inclines.</p>
<p>I'm not sure where you are from Richard, but don't you agree a bridge like this is asking for some special tag?</p>
<p>http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/1186115057_7f88a4aaed_o.jpg</p>
<p>Same applies as far as I'm concerned for dips and steep hills which constitute a hazard. As they can't be derived from 2D geometry, let's find a way of marking them explicitly. There has already been work done on incline=*:</p>
<p>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Incline</p>
<p>--colin</p>
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<p>On 2014-08-10 23:28, Richard Z. wrote:</p>
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<pre>On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 06:14:24PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote:</pre>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px">It is neither constructed with the intention of calming traffic, nor is it intended as any kind of barrier (a bridge is usually exactly the opposite!) Let us not be afraid of using a different tag for what is clearly a different attribute.</blockquote>
<pre>without clear speed limits or hazzard signs it is just a very abstract
danger of which plenty are more evil than a humpback bridge but not
tagged in any way.. generations of drivers did drive there.
We don't tag narrow winding mountain roads with special attributes, nor
do we expect routing software to deduce that wisdom from road geometry?
Sometimes I wish we would have something like key:reasonable_max_speed
but we don't.
So either bridge=humpback is a substitute for key:reasonable_max_speed
- than we should think about that - or it is more an optical thing which
could be handled within bridge:structure?
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 08:24:05PM +0400, Никита wrote:</pre>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px">Yeah, traffic_calming was bad idea too, we use it for artificial objects with purpose of calming traffic. Back to the topic: "a bridge requiring driving speed to be reduced due to the vertical profile (i.e. not because it is narrow, or some other attribute)".</blockquote>
<pre>very similar danger situation like hazard=dip, some railway crossings and
any number of similar situations. Would it be worth to have an abstraction
for that?
Richard
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