<html><head></head><body>Compacted usually means compacted earth (the soil has been packed more densely, but no other hard surface has been added). A dirt road simply has the native soil exposed, with perhaps some grading done, but again no topping added. To my mind, neither of these count as "paved".<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On September 30, 2014 4:57:58 AM CDT, Erik Johansson <erjohan@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">These are more than 90% of values for surface, categorize them as<br />paved/unpaved the rest as unpaved.<br /><br />surface=<br /><br />asphalt<br />unpaved<br />paved<br />gravel<br />ground<br />dirt<br />grass<br />concrete<br />paving_stones<br />sand<br />cobblestone<br />compacted<br /><br />paved=yes will remove then need for parsing those last % of surface=*<br />values, not sure it's worth it. To think that there is only one<br />definition of paved=yes, is a big mistake. There are few tags in OSM<br />that are specific enough to mean the same thing all over the world.<br /><br /><br /><br />On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:42 AM, David Bannon <dbannon@internode.on.net> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 00:23 +0200, Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote:<br /> ..A good suggestion ...<br /><br /> So it seems that yet again, we are going to reject
this attempt to solve<br /> a real problem. Looking at the neg replies, because its not useful for<br /> bike riders; not useful for a number of undefined edge cases; is a<br /> duplicate of surface=.<br /><br /> Thats just plain not true ! There is no suggestion that paved= should be<br /> used instead of surface=. I use surface= on all unsealed roads I map and<br /> would continue to do so if I also used paved=no.<br /><br /> But there are 34 official values for surface= and 3581 values used. It<br /> is very plain that the mapping community want surface= as a fine<br /> grained, very detailed key. And thats great, people making specialised<br /> maps or engines can use those values, display them in a meaningful way<br /> to people they understand. My data will help them.<br /><br /> But the vast majority of people just want to know that the road may not<br /> be what they are used to. Thats all. And paved= does that easily.<br /><br /> In places like Australia, that information
can be a life or death thing.<br /> People die here because they are inexperienced or ill equipped for roads<br /> they tackle. Generally visitors from Europe or North America.<br /><br /> Please folks, think of the big picture, not the edge cases.<br /><br /> David<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><br /><br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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