<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 28.12.2014 um 20:42 schrieb <a href="mailto:tagging-request@openstreetmap.org">tagging-request@openstreetmap.org</a>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">From: Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@gmail.com">matkoniecz@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shared foot- and cycletracks<br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><<a href="mailto:CALDvra7thqNf07yiEr7Um5G7Oc3WwwxtdkF-bDKn67gcd8t8Zg@mail.gmail.com">CALDvra7thqNf07yiEr7Um5G7Oc3WwwxtdkF-bDKn67gcd8t8Zg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Please, stop proposing tags conflicting with widely used ones.<br></span></blockquote><div>Since 2008/2008, there is a coexistence </div></div><div>of "highway=footway" with "highway=path" + "foot=designated"</div><div>and of "highway=cycleway" with "highway=path" + "bicycle=designated".</div><div>Why not also a coexistence </div><div>of "highway=foot_cycleway" with "highway=path" + "foot=designated" + "bicycle=designated".</div><div><br></div><div>I think, we have to map many features, but the simpler the lists of tags we produce that way, the better and the easier is our mapping.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>Also, your example with Poland is incorrect (pedestrians have priority over</span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">cyclists).<br></span></blockquote>The regulation I know from Germany is that the cyclists mustn't urge the pedestrians, but the pedestrians have to let the cyclists pass.</div><div>It is the same regulation as between cars and cyclists on a shared lane in USA or Canada </div><div>(see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking</a></div><div>and the linked sources: </div><div><a href="http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9c.htm">http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9c.htm</a> (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, 2009 Edition Chapter 9C. Markings)→ scroll to "Section 9C.07 Shared Lane Marking</div><div><a href="http://www.thunderbay.ca/Assets/Living/Active+Transportation/docs/Bike+Lanes+Shared+Lanes+Pamphlet.pdf">http://www.thunderbay.ca/Assets/Living/Active+Transportation/docs/Bike+Lanes+Shared+Lanes+Pamphlet.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>Except of the right of the pedestrians to use the whole track and to go two by two or three by three, that is even same relation like between cars and cyclists on normal streets.</div><div><br></div><div>If the regulation in Poland is different, please tell me.</div><div><br></div><div>(P.S. You might also explain matter with the two different layouts of Polish sign C-13-16) <table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td><br></td><td><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>2014-12-28 18:35 GMT+01:00 Ulrich Lamm <<a href="mailto:ulamm.brem@t-online.de">ulamm.brem@t-online.de</a>>:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi mapping and cycling friends,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I have suggested a special highway-class for the slim tagging of this very<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">common kind of cycling facilities that up to now affords a combination of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">four tags.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/foot_cycleway">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/foot_cycleway</a></blockquote></blockquote></div><br></body></html>