<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 02.01.2015 um 00:00 schrieb <a href="mailto:tagging-request@openstreetmap.org">tagging-request@openstreetmap.org</a>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:09:49 +0100<br>From: 715371 <<a href="mailto:osmu715371@gmx.de">osmu715371@gmx.de</a>><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: [Tagging] Sidewalk tagged on highway=cycleway<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:54A5B79D.1020700@gmx.de">54A5B79D.1020700@gmx.de</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15<br><br>Hi,<br><br>there is a sentence on<br><br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway</a><br><br>which says<br><br>"It is also possible to use {{Tag|sidewalk|right}}/*=left [on<br>highway=cycleway] to indicate which side of the segregated path<br>pedestrians should walk on (where right/left is relative to the way's<br>direction)."<br><br>It was originally contributed by ulamm and modified by RobJN after a<br>short discussion (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:RobJN">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:RobJN</a>).<br>But this is the opposite of what is written on<br><br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks</a><br><br>"The inclusion of sidewalk information makes it easier to provide<br>effective pedestrian routing, and in particular good narrative<br>descriptions of pedestrian routes along motorised roads. The sidewalk<br>tag is not needed on non-motorised thoroughfares, for example<br>highway=footway/cycleway/path/brideway/track. "<br></span></blockquote>• "not needed" is not the same as "must not be needed"</div><div>• The combination of highway=cycleway with sidewak=right or *=left needs less tags </div><div>than the conventional combination of highway=path or highway=cycleway with biycyle=designated + foot=designated + segregated=yes.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>I think there better solutions to the problem than ulamm's.<br></span></blockquote>Tell us a solution that describes the existence of a cycletrack and a parallel footway without more tags and without any loss of exactness!<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>If there are no further arguments, I will remove the sentence from the<br>first citation. What is your opinion on that?<br><br>Cheers<br>Tobias<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:09 +0100<br>From: Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@gmail.com">matkoniecz@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk tagged on highway=cycleway<br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><<a href="mailto:CALDvra5Q=ST62exm_Gd9-mSAtJ3e5raECktfSm7sOC=pwWyabQ@mail.gmail.com">CALDvra5Q=ST62exm_Gd9-mSAtJ3e5raECktfSm7sOC=pwWyabQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I support revert of ulamm's edit.<br></span></blockquote>My sentence is no order, it is the information about an unconventional but correct description of reality, which is also understood by routers.</div><div>If groops of 10, 20 or even 50 people think to be allowed to forbid true informations, OSM would become medieval.<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>2015-01-01 22:09 GMT+01:00 715371 <<a href="mailto:osmu715371@gmx.de">osmu715371@gmx.de</a>>:<br><br></span>_________________________________<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote type="cite">Tagging mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20150101/45880dae/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20150101/45880dae/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:30:18 +0100<br>From: Hubert <<a href="mailto:sg.forum@gmx.de">sg.forum@gmx.de</a>><br>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br><br><br>+1. I'm also removal. But I can unterstand the idea behind it. However it should be discussed some more.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>Am 1. Januar 2015 22:09:49 MEZ, schrieb 715371 <<a href="mailto:osmu715371@gmx.de">osmu715371@gmx.de</a>>:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there is a sentence on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which says<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"It is also possible to use {{Tag|sidewalk|right}}/*=left [on<br></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006312"><br></font>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20150101/c6a078ab/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20150101/c6a078ab/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:48:33 +0100<br>From: Janko Mihelić <<a href="mailto:janjko@gmail.com">janjko@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br><br><br>+1<br><br>I think this should be tagged with lanes, to be compatible with road lane<br>tagging:<br><br>bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|no<br>foot:lanes:forward=no|designated<br><br>Or if this looks a bit complicated (it does to me) invent a new tag,<br>something like:<br><br>designated:lanes:forward=bicycle|foot</span></blockquote>Cycle lanes are cycling facilities on the carriageway. A cycletrack as well as a sidewalk are spaces beside the carriageway.</div><div><br></div><div>A cycletrack may be mapped using roadline tags, but that limits the accuracy of description.</div><div>Up to now, even openstreetmap/cyclemap does not render anything that excedes "highway=secondary" (or else) + "cycleway=track", which due to that rendering problem, by many mappers is used for roads with an unilateral cycletrack as well as for roads with cycletracks on both sides.</div><div><br></div><div>Better description and exact localization are possible by using separately drawn cycletracks, see <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Supplementary_details">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Supplementary_details</a></div><div>With this kind of mapping, the sidewalks of the same street have to be recorded without too many tags.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br>Janko Mihelić<br><br>2015-01-01 22:30 GMT+01:00 Hubert <<a href="mailto:sg.forum@gmx.de">sg.forum@gmx.de</a>>:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">+1. I'm also removal. But I can unterstand the idea behind it. However it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">should be discussed some more.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Am 1. Januar 2015 22:09:49 MEZ, schrieb 715371 <<a href="mailto:osmu715371@gmx.de">osmu715371@gmx.de</a>>:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">there is a sentence on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which says<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"It is also possible to use {{Tag|sidewalk|right}}/*=left [on …<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Tobias<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Tagging mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>