<html><head></head><body>The ID editor already has multifaith as a selectable pull-down item for the religion= tag. <br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On January 9, 2015 7:23:54 PM EST, tagging-request@openstreetmap.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Send Tagging mailing list submissions to<br /> tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> tagging-request@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> tagging-owner@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of Tagging digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br /> 1. Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature question<br /> (Dave F.)<br /> 2. Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature question<br /> (Dan S)<br /> 3. Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature question<br /> (Dave F.)<br /> 4. Re: religion=multi* ? (John Sturdy)<br /> 5. Re:
religion=multi* ? (Philip Barnes)<br /> 6. Re: religion=multi* ? (Andreas Neumann)<br /> 7. Re: religion=multi* ? (John Willis)<br /> 8. Re: religion=multi* ? (SomeoneElse)<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:12:48 +0000<br />From: "Dave F." <davefox@madasafish.com><br />To: Tom Hughes <tom@compton.nu>, "Tag discussion, strategy and<br /> related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature<br /> question<br />Message-ID: <54AFC5C0.3030500@madasafish.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed<br /><br />On 01/01/2015 00:39, Tom Hughes wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 01/01/15 00:36, Dave F. wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left:
1ex;"> I'm struggling to comprehend how a button to turn off the notes layer,<br /> that's separate (& hidden!) from the only obvious button to turn the<br /> layer on can be described as 'logical' to an experienced user let alone<br /> a newbie..<br /></blockquote><br /> Well the problem is that what you see as a "button to turn on the <br /> notes layer" is what I see as a "button to add a new note" ;-) That <br /> button was intended to encode the "add a note" action, not the "view <br /> notes" action.<br /></blockquote><br />OK, but however you perceive it, it still activates the 'view notes'. <br />Although it adds clarity to do so, it's not essential to the 'add a <br />note' function.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> If I just wanted to view existing notes I wouldn't use that button, I <br /> would open the layer switcher and turn on the notes layer.<br /></blockquote><br
/>On a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious do you think that is to the user?<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> The problem with turning off the notes layer again when the add note<br /> control is disabled is that it might already have been on before you<br /> started adding a note, so we would probably have to remember if we had<br /> turned it on or if it was already on .<br /></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> Trying to figure out what to do if somebody starts toggling the notes<br /> layers on and off manually while the add note control is active
just<br /> introduces even more levels of complication...<br /></blockquote><br /> By 'we' do you mean the programmers? I hope not. It's not that<br /> complicated! on/off, yes/no, 0/1 binary! It's the DNA of computers!<br /></blockquote><br /> No I'm not saying the programming is necessary complicated, I'm saying <br /> it's hard to know what the correct behaviour is from a UX point of view.<br /></blockquote><br />I don't really see it as that confusing:<br /><br />I don't think the 'add note' button needs to turn on the 'view notes', <br />but lets assume it does:<br /><br />* The 'add note' button turns both the add & view layers on & should <br />them off again, except if 'view' was previously turned on via hidden <br />option under Layers. Then it should leave 'view' on.<br /><br />* If 'view' is turned off via the Layers menu while 'add' is visible, <br />turn 'view' off as it not directly linked or strictly needed to add a note.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Dave F.<br
/><br />---<br />This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br /><a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:17:42 +0000<br />From: Dan S <danstowell+osm@gmail.com><br />To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br /> <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature<br /> question<br />Message-ID:<br /> <CANuikkqvzrLNgqA5jHogDyBVOMcwCut2pzr7HxE=D8bChcVGfQ@mail.gmail.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br /><br />This appears to be nothing to do with "tagging" - you've presumably<br />sent to this list by mistake...<br /><br />2015-01-09 12:12 GMT+00:00 Dave F. <davefox@madasafish.com>:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 01/01/2015 00:39, Tom Hughes wrote:<br
/><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> On 01/01/15 00:36, Dave F. wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm struggling to comprehend how a button to turn off the notes layer,<br /> that's separate (& hidden!) from the only obvious button to turn the<br /> layer on can be described as 'logical' to an experienced user let alone<br /> a newbie..<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> Well the problem is that what you see as a "button to turn on the notes<br /> layer" is what I see as a "button to add a new note" ;-) That button was<br /> intended to encode the "add a note" action, not the "view notes" action.<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> OK, but however you perceive it, it still activates the 'view notes'.<br /> Although it adds clarity to do so, it's not essential to the 'add a note'<br /> function.<br
/><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> If I just wanted to view existing notes I wouldn't use that button, I<br /> would open the layer switcher and turn on the notes layer.<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> On a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious do you think that is to the user?<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> The problem with turning off the notes layer again when the add note<br /> control is disabled is that it might already have been on before you<br /> started adding a note, so we would probably have to remember if we had<br /> turned it on or if it was
already on .<br /></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Trying to figure out what to do if somebody starts toggling the notes<br /> layers on and off manually while the add note control is active just<br /> introduces even more levels of complication...<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> By 'we' do you mean the programmers? I hope not. It's not that<br /> complicated! on/off, yes/no, 0/1 binary! It's the DNA of computers!<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> No I'm not saying the programming is necessary complicated, I'm saying<br /> it's hard to know what the correct behaviour is from a UX point of view.<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> I don't really see it as that confusing:<br /><br /> I don't think the 'add note' button needs to turn on the 'view notes', but<br /> lets assume it does:<br /><br /> * The 'add note' button turns both the add & view layers on & should them<br />
off again, except if 'view' was previously turned on via hidden option under<br /> Layers. Then it should leave 'view' on.<br /><br /> * If 'view' is turned off via the Layers menu while 'add' is visible, turn<br /> 'view' off as it not directly linked or strictly needed to add a note.<br /><br /> Cheers<br /> Dave F.<br /><br /> ---<br /> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br /> <a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:21:10 +0000<br />From: "Dave F." <davefox@madasafish.com><br />To: tagging@openstreetmap.org<br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature<br /> question<br />Message-ID:
<54AFC7B6.5050301@madasafish.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed<br /><br />Apologies & Thanks.<br /><br />On 09/01/2015 12:17, Dan S wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> This appears to be nothing to do with "tagging" - you've presumably<br /> sent to this list by mistake...<br /><br /> 2015-01-09 12:12 GMT+00:00 Dave F. <davefox@madasafish.com>:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 01/01/2015 00:39, Tom Hughes wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 01/01/15 00:36, Dave F. wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm struggling to comprehend how a button to turn off the
notes layer,<br /> that's separate (& hidden!) from the only obvious button to turn the<br /> layer on can be described as 'logical' to an experienced user let alone<br /> a newbie..<br /></blockquote><br /> Well the problem is that what you see as a "button to turn on the notes<br /> layer" is what I see as a "button to add a new note" ;-) That button was<br /> intended to encode the "add a note" action, not the "view notes" action.<br /></blockquote><br /> OK, but however you perceive it, it still activates the 'view notes'.<br /> Although it adds clarity to do so, it's not essential to the 'add a note'<br /> function.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> If I just wanted to view existing notes I wouldn't use that button, I<br /> would open the layer switcher and turn on the notes layer.<br /></blockquote><br /> On a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious do you think that is to the user?<br
/><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> The problem with turning off the notes layer again when the add note<br /> control is disabled is that it might already have been on before you<br /> started adding a note, so we would probably have to remember if we had<br /> turned it on or if it was already on .<br /></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Trying to figure out what to do if somebody starts toggling the notes<br /> layers on and off manually while the add note control is active just<br /> introduces even more levels of complication...<br /></blockquote><br
/> By 'we' do you mean the programmers? I hope not. It's not that<br /> complicated! on/off, yes/no, 0/1 binary! It's the DNA of computers!<br /></blockquote><br /> No I'm not saying the programming is necessary complicated, I'm saying<br /> it's hard to know what the correct behaviour is from a UX point of view.<br /></blockquote><br /> I don't really see it as that confusing:<br /><br /> I don't think the 'add note' button needs to turn on the 'view notes', but<br /> lets assume it does:<br /><br /> * The 'add note' button turns both the add & view layers on & should them<br /> off again, except if 'view' was previously turned on via hidden option under<br /> Layers. Then it should leave 'view' on.<br /><br /> * If 'view' is turned off via the Layers menu while 'add' is visible, turn<br /> 'view' off as it not directly linked or strictly needed to add a note.<br /><br /> Cheers<br /> Dave F.<br /><br /> ---<br /> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
software.<br /> <a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><br /><br />---<br />This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br /><a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 4<br />Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:52:28 +0000<br />From: John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy@gmail.com><br />To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br /> <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?<br />Message-ID:<br />
<CAFJf9KPwAYzpMCbK32izYH0vQm+KL8izt2KXXwXWOkp=1FBF7g@mail.gmail.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br /><br />Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the "religion" or "denomination" tag<br />out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or<br />denomination?<br /><br />__John<br /><br /><br />On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave F. <davefox@madasafish.com> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 09/01/2015 01:53, Tom Pfeifer wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-01-09 00:56:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /><br /> denomination=none<br /> ;-)<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> Nice, but we need to stay on the religion=
level</blockquote><br /> But couldn't the sharing be inter-denominational, rather than<br /> inter-religion?<br /><br /> As I see it:<br /><br /> 1. No specific religion, such as rooms at hospitals, airports etc.<br /> 2. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform<br /> services at separate times.<br /> 3. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform<br /> services at the same time. I'm guessing this would more likely be<br /> denominations than religion.<br /><br /> Dave F.<br /><br /> ---<br /> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br /> <a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 5<br />Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 15:43:49
+0000<br />From: Philip Barnes <phil@trigpoint.me.uk><br />To: tagging@openstreetmap.org<br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?<br />Message-ID: <1420818229.2132.2.camel@trigpoint.me.uk><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br /><br />On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 12:52 +0000, John Sturdy wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the "religion" or "denomination" tag<br /> out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or<br /> denomination?<br /> <br /> __John<br /> <br /></blockquote>I think religion=multi is a good tag for this type of facility.<br />Multi-faith is a term that is common in real world usage and also<br />indicates that the mapper has surveyed and mapped what they have seen.<br /><br />Leaving religion blank on a place of worship is going to bring in the<br />error checkers and increase the risk of them being
armchaired.<br /><br />Phil (trigpoint)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 6<br />Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:58:30 +0100<br />From: Andreas Neumann <andr-neumann@gmx.net><br />To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br /> <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?<br />Message-ID: <54AFFAA6.8040509@gmx.net><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br />On 09.01.2015 13:52, John Sturdy wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the "religion" or "denomination" tag<br /> out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or<br /> denomination?<br /> <br /> __John<br /></blockquote><br />Hi,<br /><br />I see this problem:<br />Where is the difference between a multifaith place and an object with<br />missing religion-tag?<br /><br />Andreas<br /><br
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