<div dir="ltr">+1 "<span style="font-size:16px">Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor."</span><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">I joined this group to effect changes in tagging things of interest to me. But the discussions inevitably go round and round with nary a thing getting resolved. </span><span style="font-size:16px">If someone has what seems like a good idea there is always someone else who takes issue with it. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">Frankly, getting anything done is just too time consuming. I realize getting consensus on a topic is a difficult goal but I decided to just avoid using any controversial tags. There's enough basic mapping needed where I live to keep me plenty busy.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:16 AM,
Pieren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pieren3@gmail.com" target="_blank">pieren3@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kotya
Karapetyan <<a href="mailto:kotya.lists@gmail.com" target="_blank">kotya.lists@gmail.com</a>>
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> As of today, a total of 16 votes have been
submitted, 11 of them are<br>
> approvals. Since 2 weeks have passed and the
required number of votes<br>
> (15) has been reached, I have closed the voting
and will proceed with<br>
> clean up.<br>
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<div>In fact, the proposal passed the wiki vote ONLY
because the three people voted no at the<br>
last minute. If it were not for those 'no' votes, the
proposal would have failed.<br>
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<div>All that shows in part how dysfunctional the wiki
vote system is</div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><big>
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It also shows how dysfunctional this group is .. not many of you
vote! </span></big></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK, well, I'm going to have to swap out my normal role as the <a href="http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Paul%20Johnson" target="_blank">crazy map bear</a> for a minute to be the unpopular opinion puffin: Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor. And I don't mean like pointless like being one of the (far too few) voters who isn't too insane or stupid to be able to hold down a day job, yet willing to risk taking a half-day off work on a non-holiday Tuesday off to actually go vote in Oklahoma, where voting could actually have an impact if the non-insane idiot contingent could actually get a quorum over the elections regulars. But actually, entirely pointless, since tags reach a uniform consensus not by how they're decreed in some wiki through a convoluted proposal and elections process, but by people who just start using them.</div><div><br></div><div>And it seems for the most part, the tags with the most staying power seem to be ones that were natural fits, and <i>then</i> were documented <i>how they're actually used</i> in the wiki retroactively.</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div lang="x-western">
<big>I would suggest <br>
1) Continued membership of this group be conditional on voting
on at least half the tags presented for voting over say the last
year. <br>
2) Rejoining members be conditional on voting on at least 8 of
the next 10 tags presented for voting. <br>
3) Tag voting may only cease when at least 25%? of the tag group
members have voted and 3? weeks have elapsed. </big></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I say scrap the whole thing and let the wiki document the map much like the map documents the ground truth. </div></div></div></div>
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