<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell out what we talked about. </div><div><br></div><div>I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be superseded by landuse=religious, and the POW tag is very important as a tag for a building or physical object that resides inside the larger landuse. </div><div><br></div><div>I gave an example as to why that is the case. </div><div><br></div><div>Please let me know if that clarifies the landuse sufficiently.</div><div><br></div><div>PS I want to use the same exact line of reasoning For landuse=civic (civic_admin, civic_service).</div><div><br></div><div>Javbw</div><div><br>On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:51 AM, John Willis <<a href="mailto:johnw@mac.com">johnw@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnw@mac.com" target="_blank">johnw@mac.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>So far I have not experienced a problem with adding "religion" and "denomination" tags to features operated by a religious community and have continued to use the same landuse I'd use otherwise on the same kind of feature (if any). What would I gain by adding "landuse=religious"?<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>To map the _grounds_ of religious facilities where the predominant use is worship, and support facilities for the meeting and rituals and various things happen. </div></blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">OK, I think I finally understood the definition, and I agree that landuse=religious is a fine tag for these (e.g. including the parking of the church). IMHO the wiki page <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dreligious">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dreligious</a> should be corrected to be as explicit as you have been here today. <br><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll try to update the wiki today (though I wasn't involved with this page's creation) and I'll ask for feedback here when I am done. </div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">The words "ground of religious facilities" and "predominant use of worship" are crucial here IMHO --- for instance a place where the politics or administration of a church are managed won't qualify under this definition (but should be tagged as commercial I guess, right? We could still add a religion tag there).<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Still there will be some strangeness in some cases, as we already have established landuse=cemetery, which might also qualify in some cases for landuse=religious.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Although the churches in California I know of do not have a cemetery on the grounds, every single temple here in Japan does - even the ones in Tokyo, so finding a very old cemetery hemmed in by a 25 story building, a train line, a river, and residential housing (and still on the temple grounds) is common. </div><div><br></div><div>There are stand-alone cemeteries as well, and most neighborhoods have little tiny 5x5m or so somewhat private cemeteries everywhere (every 2-300m or so) over all of Japan, so I am not saying they are all landuse=religious, but some larger ones on the temple grounds certainly are, and it is an "amenity" of the temple - it's a big deal/expense to have a family grave on the temple grounds. </div><div><br></div><div>Can you have nested landuses? It is clearly part of the temple grounds, and clearly a cemetery. I would tag it that way, but I don't know if I'm breaking done rule by doing that. </div><div><br></div><div>Javbw </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div>
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