<div dir="ltr">Thanks for all comments.<div><br></div><div>I would like to throw another issue in before I update the proposal with the recommendations all of you made.<div><br></div><div>What to do with places where one <b>cannot</b> camp? I have run in many situations where it would be really useful to have those on the map. I am thinking of the following situations:</div><div><ul><li>A camping used to exist at the place but stopped business;</li><li>A hotel owner offered camping on his premises, but stopped doing so;</li><li>Police has chased away people who tried to wild camp at the location;</li><li>Campers have been robbed at the location;</li><li>Camping is not allowed, because it is in a protected area.</li></ul><div>Any suggestions?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jan</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue Feb 24 2015 at 5:25:02 AM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><div>On 24/02/2015 9:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt
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<pre>Forget the fee.
What about "official" vs. "unofficial".
A campsite supported by the landowner may be fee or not.
A habitually used camp spot may have a home on OSM, but should be
marked as "not supported by the landowner or land manager".
Same for unofficial trails.</pre>
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</span><big>Define 'unofficial'? </big></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"></div><br>Not speaking for Bryce, however, I could see a usage case for something like this. For example, in my 20s I used to go 4x4 in Mt. Hood National Forest <i>all the time</i>. And throughout the MHNF, especially once you crossed the Cascade divide at roughly the meridian of Mt. Hood's peak, and were therefore also on the dry side of the range, people can and do camp wherever they damn well please. There's hundreds, if not thousands, of tiny, unofficial camp sites not associated with any campground that have no facilities (except for perhaps a fire pit and a wide spot to unload your truck and pitch a tent), and due to the fact you're having to hump in your own water, hump out your own trash, and dig your own latrine, no fee. The Forest Service doesn't really know where they are or keep track of them beyond the collective knowledge of the USFS Rangers, they're just there because enough people have camped in the same spot.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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