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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/02/2015 2:53 PM, John Willis
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      <div>On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a
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              <div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-27 9:07 GMT+01:00 johnw <span
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                  <div style="word-wrap:break-word"> I read the wiki
                    entry on steps (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    and the discussion page, 
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                    <div>and besides the discussion on which direction
                      means uphill (that really needs to be decided), <br>
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                <div>I had assumed for years that the direction pointing
                  upwards was a commonly agreed on standard, being
                  myself an architect I hadn't expected this to be
                  questionable, but as I got so much flak from people
                  insisting on the other way round, I now am adding the
                  tag incline=up to all steps. This way you remove any
                  ambiguity and introduce some further stability also
                  for cases where the way direction gets inverted. No
                  need for any (IMHO unachievable) decision any more ;-)<br>
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      <div>We need to have this standardized - just  like waterways and
        walls - ascent or descent should be implicit in path direction. </div>
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      <div>There should be a standardized.</div>
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      <div>If that is impossible, then at least the ascent/descent tags
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      <div>Ascent=yes / reverse or -1 or however the one way tag works,
        or the direction=ascent /descent or incline or something - just
        anything that's standardized. <br>
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    The thing that attracted my attention to this was the direction of
    the way not being used the same way as standard practice .. and as
    documented in the international and national standards. <br>
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    Within OSM .. I've checked
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline</a> - that sets a
    'standard' for the incline direction. <br>
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    I'm tempted to simply add the information to the wiki for steps. The
    past discussion on this topic  is from years ago. I'll think about
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                    <div>can I use steps to define an area, just like
                      highway=pedestrian? </div>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">There is the area relation proposal
              which deals explicitly with this (type=area), but it isn't
              supported by any data consumer AFAIK.<br>
              Please note that you have to create a new relation for
              every continuous part of stairs (i.e. the stair landings
              are not included).<br>
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    Humm slack. That is a Draft proposal from December 2009 ... I'll
    contact the proposer! Try to advance teh steps bit as I understand
    that need. <br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">Might sound complicated but it is
              actually quite easy to model:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">1. create an empty relation and add
              the tags:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">type=area<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">(and more like step_count, surface,
              etc.)<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">2. draw the upper delimiting way of
              the steps (border where the last riser is) and add it with
              the role "upper" to the relation<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">3. draw the lower delimiting way
              (border where the first riser is) and add it with the role
              "lower" to the relation<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">done.<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">if you want you can <br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">4. draw the lateral boundaries and
              add them with the role "lateral" to the relation
              (suggested for non-linear lateral boundaries only).<br>
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      <div>Is that something I can do in iD? I'll have to read up about
        relations. I've only ever edited a couple, and that didn't
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      <div>Javbw</div>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">cheers,<br>
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            <div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br>
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