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<div data-externalstyle="false" dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif';font-size:12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Not sure what you mean by “the software” but the Renderer’s designers choose what is displayed by the Renderer. The standard OSM rendering of the OSM database shows objects that are marked as access=private as well as access=yes. <br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;" data-signatureblock="true"><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">As mentioned below only Public objects should be added to the DB unless they are physically noticeable such as private roads or property and they will be given an access tag of private to show they are not public. access=private indicates the right of access to an object not that the object should be kept hidden from public disclosure.</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Everything in OSM is visible to all Renderer's to display or not display aas they choose.</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">The OSM database is not the place for private individuals or organisations to store private data.</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Hope this helps to clarify things.</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Jonathan<br><br>http://bigfatfrog67.me</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:john@jfeldredge.com" target="_parent">John F. Eldredge</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 March 2015 22:20<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me" target="_parent">jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me</a>, <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_parent">Tag discussion, strategy and related tools</a></font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="">
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; color: black;">What I mean is, does the
software allow you to specify that only objects with access permitting the
general public, or access=private with only specified values of the
operator tag, be rendered?</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; color: black;">-- <br>
John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com<br>
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.<br>
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<p style="margin: 10pt 0px; color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">On
March 17, 2015 4:43:07 PM <jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me> wrote:</p>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.75ex; padding-left: 0.75ex; border-left-color: rgb(128, 128, 128); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Not sure what you mean
by “Private Objects”, anything in the DB is capable of being
displayed, depending on whether the Renderer wants to. Nothing
is Private in OSM.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;" data-signatureblock="true"><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;">Jonathan<br><br>-----------------------<br>http://bigfatfrog67.me</div><div style="color: rgb(55, 86, 35); font-size: 14pt;"><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:john@jfeldredge.com" target="_parent">John F.
Eldredge</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 March 2015
20:44<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_parent">Tag discussion, strategy and related
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; color: black;">Does the default rendering on
the slippy map on OSM's main page show private objects? If it does, then
there is a loss of privacy. If it doesn't, then there is a loss of feedback
to mappers.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; color: black;">-- <br>
John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com<br>
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.<br>
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March 16, 2015 7:08:34 PM Warin <61sundowner@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/03/2015 10:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt
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"Please do not map private objects in private space. In general
if
<div>the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not
useful to </div>
<div>a member of the public, please don't add it to the
database. Note</div>
<div>it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee
based venues,</div>
<div>as long as the facilities are reasonably available to
members of the public."</div>
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<div><b>Examples not to map</b>: toilets in homes, employee only
toilets in businesses, private recycling bins, playgrounds in
private homes or day care facilities.</div>
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<div><b>Examples to map: </b>toilets inside DisneyLand,
buildings visible from air photos, private facilities with a
history of public "permissive" use.</div>
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If OSM encourages others to use the OSM data base.. why cannot they
add data that is 'private' to them? <br>
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If renderers were not to render any access=private object then the
general public would not be aware of these 'private' objects and <br>
those who want them may enter them and configure there own render to
show 'their' data alongside OSM data. <br>
<br>
One idea is to only map stuff that is 'publicly viewable'. Some
define this as 'from a public place' such as a street. However with
satellite views being publicly available then mapping things that
are not viewable from a public street becomes possible with more
accuracy than that of a visual estimation from a public street. <br>
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I think that mapping stuff that is not usefull, in some way, is a
waste of time, public stuff or private stuff. If a person with
authority wants to map private stuff .. then I think that is OK. The
key is the authority. <br>
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And then the definition of 'private' is? <br>
Are Universities 'private'? Are bicycle repair stations inside
university grounds private? <br>
Are private swimming pools in backyards to be mapped as they may be
used in an emergency to fight fires? <br>
The boundaries between private and public are grey ... and then
their is community emergency use. Murky waters. <br>
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