<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">The trailhead proposal is long overdue. They are common around areas I've</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">> lived in the US. They usually have limited parking, signage, sometimes a</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">> place to pay, and some even have permanent or portable restrooms. Thanks</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">> for creating the proposal.</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">I also agree and thank you for your effort.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">However, </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">I don't understand why the area around the trailhead, even if it has a bunch of facilities, cannot have those simply tagged using existing amenity tags: amenity=toilets, amenity=parking, tourism=information, etc. Each of these can have its own subtags if appropriate, e.g., fee=yes/no, access=*, or what have you. I suppose marking out an area might be useful in a few rare cases but creating a relation would probably be overkill IMO.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">I also agree that a trailhead is a place to access a trail from another way, be it a highway or service road, and that while it might be the only access to the trail, other trailheads often exist. Easy to map as a node shared by both ways.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:16px">Dave</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:12 AM, Clifford Snow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Greg Troxel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gdt@ir.bbn.com" target="_blank">gdt@ir.bbn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>Clifford Snow <<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>> writes:<br>
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> The trailhead proposal is long overdue. They are common around areas I've<br>
> lived in the US. They usually have limited parking, signage, sometimes a<br>
> place to pay, and some even have permanent or portable restrooms. Thanks<br>
> for creating the proposal.<br>
<br>
</span>agreed.<br>
<span><br>
> A node for the location of a trailhead make sense. But help me understand<br>
> when a trailhead way or relation would apply. I would suggest explaining it<br>
> on the wiki.<br>
<br>
</span>I think the basic issue is that people do not conceptualize "trailhead"<br>
as the literal junction of the trail and the road that it crosses. The<br>
trailheed is a place with some extent, arguably an area, that covers the<br>
parking area and any other associated amentities, and has specific trail<br>
access points which are the junction of the trails and the<br>
parking/builtup area, even if the trails begin again on the other side<br>
of the car road. So it's an area with some specific nodes that are on<br>
the way of the area and also on a trail.<br>
<span><br>
> I would also characterize a tailhead as an access point to a trail instead<br>
> of the beginning of a trail.<br>
<br>
</span>agreed, and it's not just any place you can get to the trail, but a<br>
place that people are intended to use to start on the trail.<br>
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(I am pretty sure Clifford and I agree,, but explaining that in case<br>
there's a US-centric difference in meaning lurking here.)</blockquote></div><br></div></div>+1<span class=""><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>@osm_seattle<br></div><div><a href="http://osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us</a></div><div>OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch</div></div></div>
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