<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’ve created a proposal page at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch" class="">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch</a> that, I hope, reflects the more recent discussion on this topic.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please feel free to comment on it here, on the discussion page associated with that wiki entry or even go ahead and edit the proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Tod</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <<a href="mailto:bryce2@obviously.com" class="">bryce2@obviously.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Tod Fitch <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:tod@fitchdesign.com" target="_blank" class="">tod@fitchdesign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Most public campgrounds in US Forests, US Parks and, at least in California, state parks don’t have a verifiable street address. And backcountry (hike or walk-in) campsites sometimes have numbered pitches but definitely don’t have a street address. For these I think ref=* would be the best fit.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If osm-carto renders one, but not the other, that will skew the tagging.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For USA park camgrounds often there IS a verifiable street address, but it's miles away from the actual campground.</div><div class="">Even so: if you tell a router you want to go to "Foo Campground", and that's mapped as an area, the router really has all<br class=""></div><div class="">the information it needs to process addr:unit.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I see pitch numbers as a good osm-carto feature, as they occur in areas of the map that are uncluttered or even blank. As such</div><div class="">they don't have the downsides of rendering things like bicycle tool stands or dog waste bins, which receive objections based on clutter.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Keep in mind that some piches are named, just as some apartment complexes or rooms are named. And a pitch could have both a name an a ref.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">add:unit=Willow Camp</div></div><div class=""><div class="">camp_site=Willow Camp<br class=""></div></div><div class="">name=Willow Camp<br class=""></div><div class="">pitch:name=Willow Camp</div><div class="">ref=AZ2</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">add:unit=2</div><div class="">ref=2</div><div class="">camp_site=2</div><div class="">name=2<br class=""></div><div class="">pitch:name=2</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><span class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Or with a more proper namespace:</div><div class=""><br class=""><b class=""> camp_site=pitch</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> pitch:drinking_water=no</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> pitch:picnic_table=yes</b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The more I think about it, the more I like this example “with a more proper namespace”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Procedurally, how to go forward? Should this be a new proposal page or an edit of the old subsection of the old camp_site extended features proposal?</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or</div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><b class=""> camp_site=camp_pitch</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> camp_pitch:drinking_water=no</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> camp_pitch:picnic_table=yes</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> name=2</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> addr:unit=2</b></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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